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    • DanSpooner
    • By DanSpooner 5th Mar 18, 1:11 PM
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    Employer asking me to work Weekend + Mon-Fri
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    Employer asking me to work Weekend + Mon-Fri 5th Mar 18 at 1:11 PM
    Hi there,

    I currently work in a Monday-Friday (9am-5.30pm) job and I've been asked to work at an event one weekend this month in addition to my normal working hours. This means that I'll be working from Monday 12th March with no days off until Friday 23rd March (12 days straight) and I've been offered no days off to counter the fact that I'm working that weekend.

    I'm on a salary where I am (as an employee, not self employed) and I won't be getting any extra money for working then. My contract does say the following:

    "In addition to these hours, you will be expected to work such additional hours as the company sees fit to enable you to carry out your duties effectively. For example, this may involve working the occasional weekend or weekdays at trade shows or staying overnight if visiting customers a significant distance away."

    The work on that weekend will be for a trade show which is 150 miles away so I'll be staying there from Friday (16th) night until Tuesday (20th). So I'll have a significant amount of time away from home during that period.

    Do I have any rights to ask for 2 days off to give me a break? I do understand that my contract says I'm expected to work at these events but I feel that I would need at least some time off to refresh (Plus I'll need time to do things such as wash work clothes as I only have a certain amount etc.).

    Any help would be much appreciated.
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    • RichardD1970
    • By RichardD1970 5th Mar 18, 1:15 PM
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    From the Gov website

    Weekly rest

    Workers have the right to either:

    an uninterrupted 24 hours without any work each week
    an uninterrupted 48 hours without any work each fortnight
    https://www.gov.uk/rest-breaks-work
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 5th Mar 18, 1:17 PM
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    Originally posted by RichardD1970
    Technically the Op could be asked to work 24 days straight.

    48off, 12 days, 12 days, 48 off again.


    Thanks GM4L
    Last edited by Comms69; 05-03-2018 at 1:51 PM.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 5th Mar 18, 1:20 PM
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    • 5th Mar 18, 1:20 PM
    Hi there,

    I currently work in a Monday-Friday (9am-5.30pm) job and I've been asked to work at an event one weekend this month in addition to my normal working hours. This means that I'll be working from Monday 12th March with no days off until Friday 23rd March (12 days straight) and I've been offered no days off to counter the fact that I'm working that weekend.

    I'm on a salary where I am (as an employee, not self employed) and I won't be getting any extra money for working then. My contract does say the following:

    "In addition to these hours, you will be expected to work such additional hours as the company sees fit to enable you to carry out your duties effectively. For example, this may involve working the occasional weekend or weekdays at trade shows or staying overnight if visiting customers a significant distance away."

    The work on that weekend will be for a trade show which is 150 miles away so I'll be staying there from Friday (16th) night until Tuesday (20th). So I'll have a significant amount of time away from home during that period.

    Do I have any rights to ask for 2 days off to give me a break? I do understand that my contract says I'm expected to work at these events but I feel that I would need at least some time off to refresh (Plus I'll need time to do things such as wash work clothes as I only have a certain amount etc.).

    Any help would be much appreciated.
    Originally posted by DanSpooner

    How long have you worked there? if less than 2 years, pick your battles
    It would be reasonable to gain time off in lieu, but it depends on your answer to question 1.


    Would this take you below the NMW/NLW per hourly rate? unlikely but worth checking.
    • ReadingTim
    • By ReadingTim 5th Mar 18, 1:40 PM
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    3 nights away from home is not "significant", and you don't have to do your washing at the weekend - live a little and try doing it on a Thursday or a Tuesday. Moreover, some hotels offer laundry services and many towns and cities still have launderettes - I don't think an expense claim for washing your smalls would fall foul of any sensible policy...
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 5th Mar 18, 1:46 PM
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    Technically the Op could be asked to work 12 days straight.


    24hr break at the start, 24 at the end = 48 in 2 weeks and 24 in any given week.
    Originally posted by Comms69
    you can be asked to work 24 days in a row, 2off-12on+12on-2off
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 5th Mar 18, 1:50 PM
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    you can be asked to work 24 days in a row, 2off-12on+12on-2off
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    So obvious! You're right I misread it's either 24 or 48. Spot on!
    • keepcalmandstayoutofdebt
    • By keepcalmandstayoutofdebt 5th Mar 18, 1:52 PM
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    I can feel for you - can another team member help ? Please donít be afraid to ask or suggest why am I the only one doing this if you are?
    If you arenít ask your colleagues what they intend do? It was only when I took a day off, that it suddenly come to roost actually there was an allocation of money for 2 people to do the job.....

    Do I wish it happened sooner - yes.

    I accepted being sales person, administrator and billing controller in one for far to long. I wish I had queried it, the boss reckoned they really didnít know.

    What would they do if you had booked that weekend away? When Iíve done expoís in past it has usually meant a day off given back.
    "If you are caught in a rainstorm, once you accept that you'll receive a soaking, the only thing left to do is enjoy the walk"
    • kazwookie
    • By kazwookie 5th Mar 18, 1:57 PM
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    I would do the extra work, mark it down in an email to your line manager and very politely ask when can I expect the two days back off, or it is ok to add them to my holidya later on in the year.

    No harm in asking, and what ever the response get it in writing
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    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 5th Mar 18, 2:03 PM
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    Clearly this is part of the job and not really extra work.

    It is down to negotiation how this works in practice.

    By the sounds of it the first time it has come up for you so you need to establish the current thinking and boundaries on how these trips work in the place you work.

    Timings of travel(do you do the set up and takedown),

    Expense policies, cheap hotels or decent, food& beverage allowances, incidentals

    TOIL, extra flexibility other times.

    Are there others more experienced than you that you can ask how this works for them.
    • DanSpooner
    • By DanSpooner 5th Mar 18, 2:17 PM
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    How long have you worked there? if less than 2 years, pick your battles
    It would be reasonable to gain time off in lieu, but it depends on your answer to question 1.


    Would this take you below the NMW/NLW per hourly rate? unlikely but worth checking.
    Originally posted by Comms69

    Thanks for getting back to me. I've worked here just under a year but I'm quite a seasoned veteran in the market and I would like to think that I'm worth a fair amount to my company. It's just quite a long period of work with no break/rest day.

    It doesn't take me under the NMW/NLW.
    • DanSpooner
    • By DanSpooner 5th Mar 18, 2:22 PM
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    I can feel for you - can another team member help ? Please donít be afraid to ask or suggest why am I the only one doing this if you are?
    If you arenít ask your colleagues what they intend do? It was only when I took a day off, that it suddenly come to roost actually there was an allocation of money for 2 people to do the job.....

    Do I wish it happened sooner - yes.

    I accepted being sales person, administrator and billing controller in one for far to long. I wish I had queried it, the boss reckoned they really didnít know.

    What would they do if you had booked that weekend away? When Iíve done expoís in past it has usually meant a day off given back.
    Originally posted by keepcalmandstayoutofdebt
    We're quite a small office so I've been asked to do the whole event and others will come and join on certain days (so I'm the unlucky one!). The reason I'm being picked for this is because I'm the most suitable for the job.

    We were told specifically not to book these day's off back in January so to be fair they have given me time... It's just a long time with no rest days or benefits of going which is annoying!
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 5th Mar 18, 2:27 PM
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    Thanks for getting back to me. I've worked here just under a year but I'm quite a seasoned veteran in the market and I would like to think that I'm worth a fair amount to my company. It's just quite a long period of work with no break/rest day.

    It doesn't take me under the NMW/NLW.
    Originally posted by DanSpooner


    I agree and I would expect an employer to behave better.


    BUT you have almost no employment rights, kick up a fuss now and when budgets are reviewed later this year you may find yourself at the sharp end.
    • DanSpooner
    • By DanSpooner 5th Mar 18, 2:27 PM
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    Clearly this is part of the job and not really extra work.

    It is down to negotiation how this works in practice.

    By the sounds of it the first time it has come up for you so you need to establish the current thinking and boundaries on how these trips work in the place you work.

    Timings of travel(do you do the set up and takedown),

    Expense policies, cheap hotels or decent, food& beverage allowances, incidentals

    TOIL, extra flexibility other times.

    Are there others more experienced than you that you can ask how this works for them.
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    I do understand that extra time is part of the work and I wouldn't mind working one day of a weekend every now and then, but working 12 days in a row just seems a bit excessive to me.

    I will be placed in a hotel and I'll have expenses in terms of a food allowance but thats it.

    I'll be sure to ask some of the others!
    • DanSpooner
    • By DanSpooner 5th Mar 18, 2:29 PM
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    Originally posted by RichardD1970
    Thanks Richard, so do I technically not have a leg to stand on legally? As I'll have a 12 days working then 2 days off after that?
    • gettingtheresometime
    • By gettingtheresometime 5th Mar 18, 2:38 PM
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    I do wonder sometimes at people's relationships with their employer when questions like this are asked.


    Surely the phrase it's good to talk is apt here?


    How many work shirts do you have? Would there be an issue if you asked for some more, assuming that they are work provided - though again I'm with ReadingTim on this one re the washing.
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    • DanSpooner
    • By DanSpooner 5th Mar 18, 2:47 PM
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    I do wonder sometimes at people's relationships with their employer when questions like this are asked.


    Surely the phrase it's good to talk is apt here?


    How many work shirts do you have? Would there be an issue if you asked for some more, assuming that they are work provided - though again I'm with ReadingTim on this one re the washing.
    Originally posted by gettingtheresometime
    You are right, it is something I intend to talk to my boss about. I just wanted to fact find before the discussion to see what my rights are and see how to angle the whole thing.

    I've got 5 which see me through the week (they aren't work provided its a suit and tie job). I placed that in there more so that it'll be a hectic week and its even finding the time to do things like that when you don't have a weekend to do it.

    I'm not trying to kick up a fuss with my work, its just that having no time off in that time is quite inconvenient in more ways than just social/rest time.
    • DanSpooner
    • By DanSpooner 5th Mar 18, 2:50 PM
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    I would do the extra work, mark it down in an email to your line manager and very politely ask when can I expect the two days back off, or it is ok to add them to my holidya later on in the year.

    No harm in asking, and what ever the response get it in writing
    Originally posted by kazwookie
    I actually think this is quite a good option too. I'm not looking to make a song and dance about the whole thing it just feels like I'll be working a lot with no rest. I've worked in retail before and never done 12 days in a row let alone in my line of work so I'm just a bit nervous about burning out.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 5th Mar 18, 3:02 PM
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    Been there nearly a year and this is the first time something like this has come up.

    I would be looking at this from a very different angle.

    Stepping up to make this event the best they have ever had.
    Networking with customers and competitors.
    Learning experience
    A few beers on the company coin

    MY washer and dryer can do a months worth of work clothes(basic office type ,not down pit) in 2 washes, 1 for the shirts, 1 for the rest
    • bugslet
    • By bugslet 5th Mar 18, 3:09 PM
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    I actually think this is quite a good option too. I'm not looking to make a song and dance about the whole thing it just feels like I'll be working a lot with no rest. I've worked in retail before and never done 12 days in a row let alone in my line of work so I'm just a bit nervous about burning out.
    Originally posted by DanSpooner
    You won't burn out, unless you are ill to start with. I've done back to back days over months and lived to tell the tale!

    As a business owner, I'd think it was perfectly acceptable to ask for a bit of time off after the event. Sometimes with everything else to think about, I don't always spot that someone may be working more than they 'should', so we have a general thing where people are supposed to point out to management if they are doing more than they should.
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