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    • martin wilson
    • By martin wilson 5th Mar 18, 12:06 PM
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    DPF Hell Van On Finance
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    DPF Hell Van On Finance 5th Mar 18 at 12:06 PM
    Hi All new to forum and DPF filters, I have a van on finance I bought in April 17 it has been back to the garage around 8 times for a DPF regen which they have now said they will no longer do. My finance company arranged for the RAC to look over the vehicle and they confirmed the DPF filter was becoming blocked due to lack of mileage or motorway travel. I use my van for building work and admittedly only travel in short distances, my finance company say they wont do anything because the vehicle isn't faulty and Evans Halshaw are refusing to do anything which leaves me with only 2 options I can take the van for a run down the motorway every few days or pay for regen every few weeks. Has anybody else had the same problem with a vehicle on finance that is used for work? My finance company has also suggested asking Evans Halshaw for a part exchange but I cant find any petrol vans suitable and im also worried as to what price they will offer for my van.
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    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 5th Mar 18, 12:15 PM
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    Why can't you take it for a longer run once a week or so? Seems like an easy and cost-effective solution.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 5th Mar 18, 12:18 PM
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    Has anybody else had the same problem with a vehicle on finance that is used for work?
    Originally posted by martin wilson
    I assume your problem is that you take short journeys and do not allow the DPF to work as recommended, not the finance?

    Using
    low-quality fuel can also make this issue worse, have you looked at the specifications of the fuel that you are using?

    • davidwood681
    • By davidwood681 5th Mar 18, 12:37 PM
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    What make?

    Just had a 20,000 mile Transit of ours that wouldn't start. Evans Halshaw had it 5 weeks and couldn't fix it. They have a agreed to some sort of refund (not sure where I'll end up on that one)

    Apparently the new Transit has had serious issues.
    Last edited by davidwood681; 05-03-2018 at 2:30 PM.
    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 5th Mar 18, 12:38 PM
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    Have the dpf gutted and mapped out of the ecu. Probably looking at the best part of £500 though but cheaper than a dpf
    • CardinalWolsey
    • By CardinalWolsey 5th Mar 18, 12:54 PM
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    By "gutting the DPF", do you mean opening the DPF, removing its innards, and then welding it back up again? If so, the VAN won't be eligible for an MOT test under the new rules coming in, and thus won't be able to be taxed etc.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 5th Mar 18, 12:57 PM
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    By "gutting the DPF", do you mean opening the DPF, removing its innards, and then welding it back up again? If so, the VAN won't be eligible for an MOT test under the new rules coming in, and thus won't be able to be taxed etc.
    Originally posted by CardinalWolsey
    The MOT rules need a functioning PDF since 2004, but they turn a blind eye, the MOT rules get tighter in May, I wonder if they will still turn a blind eye?

    • ratrace
    • By ratrace 5th Mar 18, 12:58 PM
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    Using
    low-quality fuel can also make this issue worse, have you looked at the specifications of the fuel that you are using?
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    This made a big diffrence on my astra i also do a lot of short runs and the dpf used to regen a lot, started putting shell diesel in and it has made a big difference still regens now and then but a lot less than it used to

    so what i do is put 3 tanks full of normal shell on the 4th put diesel v power not only does it help with dpf but also keeps the fuel pump and injectors cleaner plus car is a bit more responsive
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    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 5th Mar 18, 1:01 PM
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    Hi All new to forum and DPF filters, I have a van on finance I bought in April 17 it has been back to the garage around 8 times for a DPF regen which they have now said they will no longer do. My finance company arranged for the RAC to look over the vehicle and they confirmed the DPF filter was becoming blocked due to lack of mileage or motorway travel. I use my van for building work and admittedly only travel in short distances, my finance company say they wont do anything because the vehicle isn't faulty and Evans Halshaw are refusing to do anything which leaves me with only 2 options I can take the van for a run down the motorway every few days or pay for regen every few weeks. Has anybody else had the same problem with a vehicle on finance that is used for work? My finance company has also suggested asking Evans Halshaw for a part exchange but I cant find any petrol vans suitable and im also worried as to what price they will offer for my van.
    Originally posted by martin wilson
    Your DPF is now beyond being able to clean itself

    You need to find a DPF cleaning specialist, have the DPF removed and cleaned by them. That should resolve your problems for the forseeable future.

    The reason you have some many forced regens is its not able to clear out the build up thats in there now, so all you're doing is kicking the can down the road by a couple of weeks.
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 5th Mar 18, 1:03 PM
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    By "gutting the DPF", do you mean opening the DPF, removing its innards, and then welding it back up again? If so, the VAN won't be eligible for an MOT test under the new rules coming in, and thus won't be able to be taxed etc.
    Originally posted by CardinalWolsey
    It is by no means a foregone conclusion that a car / van with a gutted DPF will fail an MOT / PSV.

    BUT, personally - there are many good DPF cleaning companies out there, i'd be getting the one he has cleaned out professionally.
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • arcon5
    • By arcon5 5th Mar 18, 1:10 PM
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    If they can't see it's been done they can't fail it
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 5th Mar 18, 1:13 PM
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    If they can't see it's been done they can't fail it
    Originally posted by arcon5
    Exactly, although is there not an element of smoke test now?

    A diesel engine without a DPF wont be smokey but it could be due to wear on injectors etc, that a working DPF would otherwise hide.
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • nubbz
    • By nubbz 5th Mar 18, 1:24 PM
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    Get it fixed and sell it?

    I know it sucks but these new vans need decent runs.
    I work for a parcel firm and this is a huge issue for a lot of the guys in Peugeots due to the stop start driving.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 5th Mar 18, 1:48 PM
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    You bought the van in April last year - but was it new at the time? If not, how old?

    It's entirely possible that your DPF problems are due to the filter being fairly well clagged beforehand. Monthly clean-outs on a van used locally sound massively excessive.
    • fwor
    • By fwor 5th Mar 18, 2:14 PM
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    Have the dpf gutted and mapped out of the ecu. Probably looking at the best part of £500 though but cheaper than a dpf
    Originally posted by arcon5
    That could prove to be a very costly mistake.

    Until we know exactly how strict the tighter new MOT rules on particulates are going to be, nobody should consider this.

    You can't "ungut" a gutted DPF - so if you have to reinstate your gutted one it's likely to be very expensive. New DPFs can be shockingly expensive, and the prices of secondhand ones are likely to go through the roof if the new rules turn out to be really strict.
    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 5th Mar 18, 2:31 PM
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    Exactly, although is there not an element of smoke test now?

    A diesel engine without a DPF wont be smokey but it could be due to wear on injectors etc, that a working DPF would otherwise hide.
    Originally posted by motorguy
    If you give it a good thrash and they MOT it with the engine still hot it maybe OK.

    But from whats been mentioned any smoke emitted will be a fail.

    But they have added several things to the MOT and had to remove them before, so who knows?
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    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 5th Mar 18, 2:55 PM
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    You don't need to take it on a run every few days, even just once a fortnight or once every three weeks or so for a 40/50 minute run will do. My Mondeo does a regeneration once every 400 miles to give you some idea of how often it should be taken on a run to do one.

    The finance company and Evans Halshaw are correct in that there is no fault other than that caused by you not ever doing a single journey long enough where the van gets a chance to do an automatic regeneration.

    It is by no means a foregone conclusion that a car / van with a gutted DPF will fail an MOT / PSV.
    by motorguy
    Yeah actually it is given the MOT test is being altered so that no visible smoke whatsoever can be emitted during the MOT, something which a car that is supposed to have a DPF fitted and doesn't will not be capable of managing.
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 5th Mar 18, 3:04 PM
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    Yeah actually it is given the MOT test is being altered so that no visible smoke whatsoever can be emitted during the MOT, something which a car that is supposed to have a DPF fitted and doesn't will not be capable of managing.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    A diesel car doesnt smoke just because it has no DPF. There would need to be other factors - such as worn injectors, worn pump, etc.

    I'd a Jag X Type 2.2D that was just pre DPF (2005) and even with 100,000 miles it didnt smoke, because it had been well maintained and well serviced.

    Therefore as i said, it is by no means a foregone conclusion that a car with a gutted DPF is going to fail.

    Also, factor in to that that its a visual test and theres room for "interpretation" depending on the MOT centre.
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • martin wilson
    • By martin wilson 5th Mar 18, 3:30 PM
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    Thanks all food for thought I have just taken it on a run down the motorway (sorry its a vivaro by the way 2014 ) I did it twice as my dash warning light says check emissions so in all I have covered 78 miles and it still has warning light, although at one point it changed to STOP injection fault. Is it me am I missing the point? when I grafted my nuts off to buy a van I just expected it to run ok and am now told I need to go for a drive down the motorway every few weeks. I work on my own and work for every penny, honestly used quite a lot of diesel today driving down the motorway in icy conditions not to mention having to take all the materials off my van roof and check tyre pressures, really don't see how I can afford to do this every few weeks, plus hasn't worked.
    • martin wilson
    • By martin wilson 5th Mar 18, 3:36 PM
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    Am I right in thinking the DPF thing is designed to cut down on emissions ? Are they really telling me to drive it more?
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