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    • samsung laptop
    • By samsung laptop 4th Mar 18, 10:47 AM
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    Does community speed watch scheme work
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    • 4th Mar 18, 10:47 AM
    Does community speed watch scheme work 4th Mar 18 at 10:47 AM
    I've just read that a town I drive through daily is starting a community speed watch scheme but do they work. They say the watch is run by members of the community with the support of the police neighbourhood policing team. Recruited volunteers receive full training in using a speed monitoring device and is given a training pack with details of roads that have been risk assessed and a high viz jacket.There is no time limit, volunteers can stay on site as long as they like and leave when they see fit. When speeds have been recorded, all the results are sent back to the officers in charge and warning letters are issued to the registered owner of the vehicle if there is a second occurrence of speeding.
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    • Warwick Hunt
    • By Warwick Hunt 5th Mar 18, 10:14 PM
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    [B7It's an A road and a main holiday route. [/B]Highways have been asked and will not fit them, nor will they give us a pedestrian crossing. As I stated, there is a series of sharp bends through and at either end of the village, some hidden.
    Originally posted by Robisere
    Sorry, thought you said it was through the village and therefore subject to a 30 mph speed limit. They’ll be forced to do something with the accidents start happening.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 6th Mar 18, 7:57 AM
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    What we (young and old) object to, is the placing of an exit road from those homes, on the crown of a sharp bed, with one bus stop nearby (within 5 metres) and another across the road. There are accidents waiting to happen and the Council Highways could not see it: they would not even visit the scene.
    Originally posted by Robisere
    That seems very surprising. Were comments made on the planning application relating to that? Did your parish council mention it in their comment on the app?

    Would you be willing to link to the application, or share the site map from the application?

    It's an A road and a main holiday route. Highways have been asked and will not fit them, nor will they give us a pedestrian crossing. As I stated, there is a series of sharp bends through and at either end of the village, some hidden.
    by Robisere
    Sorry, thought you said it was through the village and therefore subject to a 30 mph speed limit.
    Originally posted by Warwick Hunt
    I don't see why that's incompatible with the OP's comment.
    • seatbeltnoob
    • By seatbeltnoob 6th Mar 18, 8:03 AM
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    But that still doesn't make much sense with regard to the post you quote where the limit in question ia 20mph through the village but 30mph past the local primary school.
    As the risk of death is far lower with the reduced speed, why not have the limit at 20mph where there is a very good chance that many young children will be on or very near to the road?
    Originally posted by shaun from Africa
    perhaps history of past accidents which you are ignorant of.
    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 6th Mar 18, 8:07 AM
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    I'd have some sort of unpleasant but unnecessary interaction most long journeys.
    Originally posted by IanMSpencer
    I think this is the main reason I stick to the limits (apart from the obvious legal and safety reasons) - because it makes driving so much more relaxing. No need to hunt for police/cameras etc. My journey might take a few extra minutes, but I waste way more than that over the course of the average day, so what am I really gaining??

    Yesterday I was driving in London and came to a bus lane, so stopped to try and join the other lane. Angry beeping came from a motorcycle behind me - I hadn't realised that the bus lane wasn't active at that time. But the motorcyclist wouldn't let it go - overtaking me, banging on my window, shouting at me and eventually speeding off, pointing at the bus lane signs and doing w****r signs at me.

    Ok, I made a mistake. But I felt sorry for the motorcyclist if he gets that irate simply because he was held-up by about 10 seconds. I always imagine these angry drivers have terrible home lives/jobs/are going through a divorce or something.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 6th Mar 18, 8:25 AM
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    I think this is the main reason I stick to the limits (apart from the obvious legal and safety reasons) - because it makes driving so much more relaxing. No need to hunt for police/cameras etc. My journey might take a few extra minutes, but I waste way more than that over the course of the average day, so what am I really gaining??

    Yesterday I was driving in London and came to a bus lane, so stopped to try and join the other lane. Angry beeping came from a motorcycle behind me - I hadn't realised that the bus lane wasn't active at that time. But the motorcyclist wouldn't let it go - overtaking me, banging on my window, shouting at me and eventually speeding off, pointing at the bus lane signs and doing w****r signs at me.

    Ok, I made a mistake. But I felt sorry for the motorcyclist if he gets that irate simply because he was held-up by about 10 seconds. I always imagine these angry drivers have terrible home lives/jobs/are going through a divorce or something.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    And what mistake do you think you made?
    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 6th Mar 18, 8:34 AM
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    And what mistake do you think you made?
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Not continuing into the bus lane.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 6th Mar 18, 9:22 AM
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    Not continuing into the bus lane.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    Not looking past the end of the bonnet.
    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 6th Mar 18, 9:49 AM
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    Not looking past the end of the bonnet.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Ah yes, the good old "I wasn't there but I know better" stance.

    Looking on Google Maps, seems I was actually correct and the motorcyclist was wrong. Not that he would ever admit it.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 6th Mar 18, 10:17 AM
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    Ah yes, the good old "I wasn't there but I know better" stance.

    Looking on Google Maps, seems I was actually correct and the motorcyclist was wrong. Not that he would ever admit it.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    But the bus lane didn’t appear by magic. If you were looking you’d have seen it, a bit like the home you reversed into.
    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 6th Mar 18, 10:28 AM
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    But the bus lane didn!!!8217;t appear by magic. If you were looking you!!!8217;d have seen it, a bit like the home you reversed into.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    In fact it did appear like magic. The huge double decker bus in front of me cleverly hid it until it was on the bus lane and the road markings were revealed to me.

    Had my x-ray glasses been in the car, I'd have known.

    But either way, I was correct to stop and join the other lane after all, as the bus lane was active (as I thought at the time, but assumed the angry motorcyclist knew better).

    Have a look for yourself if you like - going south on Kingsway (A4200) towards Aldwych just after it crosses the A40, outside Holborn station is a small section of bus lane that is active at all times (unlike the bus lane after the turning for Gate Street which is only active during certain times).

    You can even see on streetview, the sign is obscured by the newspaper stand, so I couldn't see the bus lane until the last moment. But, you know, you know better.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 6th Mar 18, 10:32 AM
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    In fact it did appear like magic. The huge double decker bus in front of me cleverly hid it until it was on the bus lane and the road markings were revealed to me.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    Ah, too close to the vehicle in front.

    Here?
    https://goo.gl/maps/s7kvodMUXTx

    Long while since I've been down Kingsway, but that bus lane was always there back in the 90s, when I was working there regularly. I'm not sure bus lanes in central London should be a great surprise.
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 6th Mar 18, 10:38 AM
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    There!!!8217;s a sign warning of the bus lane before the junction.
    • Car 54
    • By Car 54 6th Mar 18, 11:11 AM
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    There!!!8217;s a sign warning of the bus lane before the junction.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    Indeed. And it's large, high enough not to be obstructed, and lists the times of operation ....
    • AndyMc.....
    • By AndyMc..... 6th Mar 18, 12:36 PM
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    Indeed. And it's large, high enough not to be obstructed, and lists the times of operation ....
    Originally posted by Car 54
    And he wants to go out in the dark with a speed gun.
    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 6th Mar 18, 12:57 PM
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    There!!!8217;s a sign warning of the bus lane before the junction.
    Originally posted by AndyMc.....
    There was. But the sign immediately before the bus lane doesn't have hours of operation, so is in operation 24hrs, hence my decision to change lanes.
    • almillar
    • By almillar 6th Mar 18, 2:28 PM
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    Drive along at the speed limit, clutch in, big rev just when you're right beside him. Sorry, can't help myself...
    • Warwick Hunt
    • By Warwick Hunt 6th Mar 18, 6:24 PM
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    There was. But the sign immediately before the bus lane doesn't have hours of operation, so is in operation 24hrs, hence my decision to change lanes.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    But you had advance warning of the bus lane and weren’t going to drive in it, so why did you leave it until the last minute to get into the correct lane?
    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 6th Mar 18, 6:38 PM
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    But you had advance warning of the bus lane and weren!!!8217;t going to drive in it, so why did you leave it until the last minute to get into the correct lane?
    Originally posted by Warwick Hunt
    Because the advance warning suggested the lane was only operational at certain hours, it was only once I was through the junction and about to enter the bus lane that I then saw the sign saying the bus lane was 24hrs.

    Plus, even if I had known, two lanes enter the junction and there's literally a couple of car lengths the other side of the junction before the bus lane, so I was simply using all available road.

    It's really not that hard. I was right, the angry, rude motorcyclist was wrong.
    • Warwick Hunt
    • By Warwick Hunt 6th Mar 18, 6:58 PM
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    Warwick Hunt
    Because the advance warning suggested the lane was only operational at certain hours, it was only once I was through the junction and about to enter the bus lane that I then saw the sign saying the bus lane was 24hrs.

    Plus, even if I had known, two lanes enter the junction and there's literally a couple of car lengths the other side of the junction before the bus lane, so I was simply using all available road.

    It's really not that hard. I was right, the angry, rude motorcyclist was wrong.
    Originally posted by Deastons
    Come on it’s really not that hard.



    Almost as easy to spot as the hole you reversed into.

    I hope your local police force aren’t reading this or they’ll never allow you out with a speed gun.
    • Deastons
    • By Deastons 6th Mar 18, 7:09 PM
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    Come on it!!!8217;s really not that hard.
    Originally posted by Warwick Hunt
    What does that photo have to do with anything?

    This is the bus lane I'm on about:



    Almost as easy to spot as the hole you reversed into.
    Originally posted by Warwick Hunt
    That was about a year ago. It's really time you learned to let things go.
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