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    • JohnB47
    • By JohnB47 3rd Mar 18, 5:20 PM
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    Reinstall of an XP laptop
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    • 3rd Mar 18, 5:20 PM
    Reinstall of an XP laptop 3rd Mar 18 at 5:20 PM
    Hi all.

    I'm thinking of reinstalling Windows XP on an old laptop I have.

    I have a win 10 replacement laptop but it doesn't have a Firewire 400 port. The old laptop has one of these ports which I occasionally use with a Digital Audio Interface. This is the only reason to keep it and it's running very slowly now, hence the idea of reinstalling.

    There will be no great loss if this all goes horribly wrong and I realise that I need to take all docs, images etc off before I start and make sure I have all the product keys for various programs (I'm pretty sure I've done that anyway, cos I'm using most of the programs on my win 10 laptop now too).

    So, a bit of advice please. First, I have Product Recovery disk (Microsoft Professional) that I got with the laptop. Do I just use that and follow the simple the instructions that came with it?

    What about the firewire bit? Will the necessary software load up too and maybe I'll just need to update drivers for everything, including the firewire?

    I realise that I'll loose Microsoft stuff - which was free at the time but is no longer. Presumably this is not on the recovery disk? Is there a way to copy the Microsoft word/excel etc stuff off and reinstall? I seem to remember its 'enterprise' software that I may have been given a disk of (no longer have it) but I'm not sure.

    Anyway, any help and advice welcome.
    Last edited by JohnB47; 03-03-2018 at 5:36 PM.
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    • giraffe69
    • By giraffe69 3rd Mar 18, 6:01 PM
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    Can't you use a firewire to usb converter? That avoids the need for re-installing XP and running it on a slow and out of date machine.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 3rd Mar 18, 6:58 PM
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    Brand name and full model number?
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 3rd Mar 18, 7:48 PM
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    I've had success on a few xp laptops from running malwarebytes then ccleaner. Use ccleaner to remove junk then to disable as much as possible from start up. Google programmes you don't recognise.
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    • JohnB47
    • By JohnB47 4th Mar 18, 10:20 AM
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    • 4th Mar 18, 10:20 AM
    Can't you use a firewire to usb converter? That avoids the need for re-installing XP and running it on a slow and out of date machine.
    Originally posted by giraffe69
    I've read a bit about this but I believe there is no such device that actually works. Do you know of one that does?
    • giraffe69
    • By giraffe69 4th Mar 18, 12:13 PM
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    • 4th Mar 18, 12:13 PM
    Not from personal experience but a quick search reveals you can buy one inexpensively from Amazon and if it fails to work could not doubt be returned
    • JohnB47
    • By JohnB47 4th Mar 18, 1:39 PM
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    • 4th Mar 18, 1:39 PM
    Brand name and full model number?
    Originally posted by EveryWhere
    Its a Toshiba Satellite Pro A100 PSAAPE-00T00Ken

    When looking for this info on the underneath of the laptop I also saw a sticker giving a Microsoft/Toshiba Product Key. Presumably that would be for the Windows XP software?
    • JohnB47
    • By JohnB47 4th Mar 18, 2:03 PM
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    • 4th Mar 18, 2:03 PM
    Not from personal experience but a quick search reveals you can buy one inexpensively from Amazon and if it fails to work could not doubt be returned
    Originally posted by giraffe69
    Thanks but I've just had a real good look on the internet again and I can confirm that there is no such thing as a Firewire to USB adapter or converter.

    It's obvious when you think of it - Firewire and USB use completely different languages, so a simple little adapter plug isn't going to do anything - as confirmed by all of the negative reviews of such products. Why does Amazon keep selling these things? A real converter would have to be a unit with it's own inbuilt language conversion software and would probably cost more than just buying a new USB Digital Audio Interface. Presumably that's why one has never been developed.

    I'm going to try removing loads of docs, images etc and run CCleaner as suggested by Norman Castle.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 4th Mar 18, 6:25 PM
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    • 4th Mar 18, 6:25 PM
    Its a Toshiba Satellite Pro A100 PSAAPE-00T00Ken

    When looking for this info on the underneath of the laptop I also saw a sticker giving a Microsoft/Toshiba Product Key. Presumably that would be for the Windows XP software?
    Originally posted by JohnB47
    If it states that it is for XP Professional, then it is so.
    Do you have an XP Professional with SP3 for Toshiba installation disc?

    If you would prefer to run a more up to date operating system, I have prepared the suitable firmware update for your machine for the free upgrade to Windows 7;

    Download and save these three files;
    SATELLITE PRO A100-03R BIOS update files

    You'll need an empty USB flash drive. Small capacity is fine.

    Plug it into a PC and once installed, download and run Rufus; It's here

    When you run it, you'll see an interface similar to this;



    Change the Partition scheme and target system type to MBR partition scheme for BIOS

    File System to FAT 32

    and Format Options to match what is shown on the pic(though you can choose MS-DOS if you wish)

    Then you can click Start in order to format and create the bootable USB drive.

    Once complete, you can drag the three files that you downloaded earlier on to the drive.

    Let me know when you are at that point.
    • JohnB47
    • By JohnB47 4th Mar 18, 8:50 PM
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    If it states that it is for XP Professional, then it is so.
    Do you have an XP Professional with SP3 for Toshiba installation disc?

    If you would prefer to run a more up to date operating system, I have prepared the suitable firmware update for your machine for the free upgrade to Windows 7;

    Download and save these three files;
    SATELLITE PRO A100-03R BIOS update files

    You'll need an empty USB flash drive. Small capacity is fine.

    Plug it into a PC and once installed, download and run Rufus; It's here

    When you run it, you'll see an interface similar to this;



    Change the Partition scheme and target system type to MBR partition scheme for BIOS

    File System to FAT 32

    and Format Options to match what is shown on the pic(though you can choose MS-DOS if you wish)

    Then you can click Start in order to format and create the bootable USB drive.

    Once complete, you can drag the three files that you downloaded earlier on to the drive.

    Let me know when you are at that point.
    Originally posted by EveryWhere
    Wow. Thanks for that. However, I'm not sure I want to go for Windows 7. The only disk I have is labelled:

    Product Recovery. For distribution only with a new Toshiba PC. Microsoft Windows XP Professional.

    Thanks again for the help. I'll let you know how I get on with creating some space and running CCleaner. Then maybe a defrag of the disk.
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 4th Mar 18, 9:30 PM
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    Not sure if this will be of interest, but, since you have an XP Pro installation CD and product key... You might find nLite interesting.

    It allows you to create your own customised installation CD for XP. You can remove unnecessary components and tweak various settings to create a fast/minimalist installation of XP. It's pretty cool.

    http://www.nliteos.com/nlite.html

    You could always test the installations in a virtual machine (or even test your current XP CD). VirtualBox is free and easy to use:

    https://www.virtualbox.org/

    But Windows 7 is worth considering if you can get it free -- it's more secure than XP, and runs the latest versions of web browsers (like Firefox, etc.).
    • zagubov
    • By zagubov 4th Mar 18, 11:55 PM
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    Another vote for Windows 7; XP''s not trustable and 10's too bloated.
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    • jamesperrett
    • By jamesperrett 5th Mar 18, 1:15 AM
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    You might find more help on a specialist recording forum (like https://www.soundonsound.com/forum). There can be good reasons for sticking with XP when using a Firewire audio interface as these interfaces can be notoriously fussy about operating systems and drivers but it would be safest to disable the network interface once you've downloaded any necessary software.

    I used one of those Satellite Pro A100's at my old job and they seemed pretty decent so should be usable with well written music software.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 5th Mar 18, 6:09 AM
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    Wow. Thanks for that. However, I'm not sure I want to go for Windows 7. The only disk I have is labelled:

    Product Recovery. For distribution only with a new Toshiba PC. Microsoft Windows XP Professional.

    Thanks again for the help. I'll let you know how I get on with creating some space and running CCleaner. Then maybe a defrag of the disk.
    Originally posted by JohnB47
    It actually doesn't stop you from re-installing XP. It just adds the option of installing Windows 7 at no extra cost.

    I have the Toshiba XP with SP3 Home image if that's any help; Windows XP Home SP3 for Toshiba It will work with the current licence.Your disc will have SP2 at the most.
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 5th Mar 18, 8:30 AM
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    Its a Toshiba Satellite Pro A100 PSAAPE-00T00Ken
    Originally posted by JohnB47
    I'm using a Satellite A100 with home edition XP. Originally sold with 512mb memory. Max memory on mine is 2gb which is cheap used and easy to install. It made a noticeable difference on mine.
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    • JohnB47
    • By JohnB47 5th Mar 18, 5:57 PM
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    Thanks everyone - great responses.

    I just have some more points of clarification:

    esuhl - you said "since you have an XP Pro installation CD and product key...." Sorry, I'm not trying to be pedantic but if I have a Recovery Disk is that the same as an installation disk? Just checking. What exactly is on a Recovery disk - everything needed to restore the PC to when I first bought it? So I put it in the drive, run it and the hard drive is wiped and all the day one software is restored, leaving me to update drivers and add what additional programs I need (e.g. the Digital Audio Interface Driver)?

    Also, enLite, in my case, would help me customise XP while reinstalling?

    EverWhere - did you just give me a link to everything that I need to reinstall XP Home SP3? If so, thank you very much and if I do decide to reinstall, I'll need to find out how to actually use it. Then again, perhaps my Recovery Disk is really all I need.

    Norman Castle - I've added RAM to the max permitted.

    Again, many thanks everyone. I'm sort of 'just OK' at this PC lark but I've never attempted a full wipe and restore. Hence my thoughts about using CCleaner and a clear out of files first.
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 5th Mar 18, 7:33 PM
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    Mine dual boots with Linux and I now rarely use XP. I had to use it today and it was slow. Part of the problem was everything wanting to update. Browser, av, firefox etc. This might be part of your problem.
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    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 5th Mar 18, 8:39 PM
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    esuhl - you said "since you have an XP Pro installation CD and product key...." Sorry, I'm not trying to be pedantic but if I have a Recovery Disk is that the same as an installation disk? Just checking. What exactly is on a Recovery disk - everything needed to restore the PC to when I first bought it? So I put it in the drive, run it and the hard drive is wiped and all the day one software is restored, leaving me to update drivers and add what additional programs I need (e.g. the Digital Audio Interface Driver)?
    Originally posted by JohnB47
    Not pedantic -- very good questions! Since Windows 95, I've only ever bought retail versions of Windows, so I'm not really familiar with the kind of CDs and recovery disks you get with a new PC. Maybe someone else here knows more and can clarify...?

    If I put my (modified) XP CD in the drive, and look at it in Windows Explorer, I see the following directories. (Does your Rescue CD look similar?)

    DOCS
    I386
    SUPPORT
    VALUEADD

    Also, enLite, in my case, would help me customise XP while reinstalling?
    Originally posted by JohnB47
    Before reinstalling. You copy the XP CD to a folder on your hard drive. nLite modifies these installation files, and at the end you can burn that folder to a new CD.

    nLite will guide you though the process through several steps. You can slipstream (pre-install) the latest service pack and all hotfixes (Windows Updates) that have ever been released for XP. You can also install drivers, change lots of default settings, remove unnecessary components, and create a really cut-down minimalist installation of XP that is tweaked for performance.

    The main purpose of it is to make re-installing XP a doddle. And (since XP is no longer supported), you can create a "final XP CD" now, before the service packs and updates are no longer available.

    Even if you don't want to faff around pre-installing updates and drivers, you could just tweak some of the other settings.

    Give it a go -- just see if it recognises your "rescue disk".

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    If you're worried about messing up your PC, it might be worth getting another hard drive and using free software like Macrium to take an image of your hard disk. That way you can restore everything exactly as it was before you broke stuff! :-D

    https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

    And if you want to test your newly created nLite XP CD, you could run it inside a virtual machine (a window on your current setup).

    https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

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    Whatever you do -- make sure you have the drivers you need before reinstalling Windows. It might be difficult to track down XP drivers these days, and without them your devices won't work. Have a look here:

    http://www.toshiba.co.uk/support/consumerlaptops/

    What about the firewire bit? Will the necessary software load up too and maybe I'll just need to update drivers for everything, including the firewire?
    Originally posted by JohnB47
    You probably need the relevant drivers from Toshiba.

    If the drivers are unavailable anywhere, there's a possibility that you might be able to copy them from your existing installation before you reinstall XP.
    • JohnB47
    • By JohnB47 5th Mar 18, 9:09 PM
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    Not pedantic -- very good questions! Since Windows 95, I've only ever bought retail versions of Windows, so I'm not really familiar with the kind of CDs and recovery disks you get with a new PC. Maybe someone else here knows more and can clarify...?

    If I put my (modified) XP CD in the drive, and look at it in Windows Explorer, I see the following directories. (Does your Rescue CD look similar?)

    DOCS
    I386
    SUPPORT
    VALUEADD



    Before reinstalling. You copy the XP CD to a folder on your hard drive. nLite modifies these installation files, and at the end you can burn that folder to a new CD.

    nLite will guide you though the process through several steps. You can slipstream (pre-install) the latest service pack and all hotfixes (Windows Updates) that have ever been released for XP. You can also install drivers, change lots of default settings, remove unnecessary components, and create a really cut-down minimalist installation of XP that is tweaked for performance.

    The main purpose of it is to make re-installing XP a doddle. And (since XP is no longer supported), you can create a "final XP CD" now, before the service packs and updates are no longer available.

    Even if you don't want to faff around pre-installing updates and drivers, you could just tweak some of the other settings.

    Give it a go -- just see if it recognises your "rescue disk".

    ----------------

    If you're worried about messing up your PC, it might be worth getting another hard drive and using free software like Macrium to take an image of your hard disk. That way you can restore everything exactly as it was before you broke stuff! :-D

    https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

    And if you want to test your newly created nLite XP CD, you could run it inside a virtual machine (a window on your current setup).

    https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

    ----------------

    Whatever you do -- make sure you have the drivers you need before reinstalling Windows. It might be difficult to track down XP drivers these days, and without them your devices won't work. Have a look here:

    http://www.toshiba.co.uk/support/consumerlaptops/



    You probably need the relevant drivers from Toshiba.

    If the drivers are unavailable anywhere, there's a possibility that you might be able to copy them from your existing installation before you reinstall XP.
    Originally posted by esuhl
    Thanks. Lots to think about there. I've had a look at my Recovery CD. It has two folders, i386 and Tools. Also, in the root directory it has a number of 'files', a CRC file, a tpa file,a DATA.INI, an HDbase.iso and a PEbase.iso, an ini and a sif file. These are all 'Files already on the disk'. It also says 'Files Ready to be written to the disk' desktop.ini (dated 16/01/2018).
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 6th Mar 18, 9:08 AM
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    Thanks. Lots to think about there. I've had a look at my Recovery CD. It has two folders, i386 and Tools. Also, in the root directory it has a number of 'files', a CRC file, a tpa file,a DATA.INI, an HDbase.iso and a PEbase.iso, an ini and a sif file. These are all 'Files already on the disk'. It also says 'Files Ready to be written to the disk' desktop.ini (dated 16/01/2018).
    Originally posted by JohnB47

    Your recovery disc is just an OEM version of Windows XP with SP2 with branding and the components needed to shake hands with the string that is tattooed to the Motherboard(for auto-activation)

    The one I have supplied is just a later version of the same thing, with SP3. I can organise a Pro with SP3 OEM image if you really need it, though even your disc with do the job.

    Your manual is here
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