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    • MikeEngTech
    • By MikeEngTech 2nd Mar 18, 11:56 PM
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    MikeEngTech
    tip from a gas engineer on frozen condensate pipes
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    • 2nd Mar 18, 11:56 PM
    tip from a gas engineer on frozen condensate pipes 2nd Mar 18 at 11:56 PM
    Hi,
    I know it's a bit late now but just thought I would share some tips.
    All of the condensate pipes I seen frozen where terminated over a grid or gutter. The external air gap causes the freezing and increasing pipe size or insulating the pipe won't do much to prevent this. Trace heating might but it's not something I've tried.
    We always try to terminate directly into a waste pipe if possible.
    If you can't do this then at least terminate below grid/grate level or fit a drain guard.
    Boiler installed downstairs is always preferable. Keeps the condensate pipe run short and easily accessible.
    I'm fitting a new boiler at mine shortly. Condensate will be straight out the back at fairly low level then teed into external soil pipe 6 inches away. Best way in my opinion. Soil stacks are warmer inside.
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    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 3rd Mar 18, 10:09 PM
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    Risteard
    Gas safe refer to us as engineers, BG, SSE and Homeserve which are probably 3 of the biggest gas companies all call us engineers as do local councils. I!!!8217;ve never once been called a gas plumber, I only ever get called a gas engineer, a plumber or a gas man call me what you want I really dont care, I get paid the same no matter what im called.
    Originally posted by Alex1983
    How about gas pipe bender?
    • Alex1983
    • By Alex1983 3rd Mar 18, 10:14 PM
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    Only by jealous sparkies, we all know who the king of the trades are, thats why you get upset about people calling us gas engineers
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 3rd Mar 18, 11:06 PM
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    Risteard
    Only by jealous sparkies, we all know who the king of the trades are, thats why you get upset about people calling us gas engineers
    Originally posted by Alex1983
    Electricians have always been the king of the trades and remain so. Gas men are just plumbers with even bigger heads than ordinary water plumbers.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 4th Mar 18, 1:11 AM
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    EachPenny
    Unless you prosecute them for misuse of a legally protected title.
    Originally posted by Risteard
    But you can't (in the UK) because 'engineer' has never been a protected title and never will be. 'Chartered Engineer' on the other hand is protected.
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 4th Mar 18, 2:53 AM
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    Risteard
    But you can't (in the UK) because 'engineer' has never been a protected title and never will be. 'Chartered Engineer' on the other hand is protected.
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    He said "if the government legislates" then you couldn't stop people using the term, so you clearly haven't read this in context. You could prosecute depending on the wording of the legislation.
    • Alex1983
    • By Alex1983 4th Mar 18, 3:28 AM
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    Lol
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 4th Mar 18, 4:08 AM
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    Risteard
    Lol
    Originally posted by Alex1983
    Not sure why you're laughing. You're a plumber. The lowest of the low.
    • Alex1983
    • By Alex1983 4th Mar 18, 4:30 AM
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    Ok lofty sparkie, you stick to wiring plugs and I will stick to keeping people warm
    • ashe
    • By ashe 4th Mar 18, 8:25 AM
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    It should be legally protected though.
    Originally posted by Risteard
    And you should pipe down, but obviously everyone isn't getting what they want.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 4th Mar 18, 11:24 AM
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    EachPenny
    He said "if the government legislates" then you couldn't stop people using the term, so you clearly haven't read this in context. You could prosecute depending on the wording of the legislation.
    Originally posted by Risteard
    Who did?

    You ignore the point I made that such legislation will never be passed because there are already protected titles e.g. "Chartered Engineer" and the word 'engineer' is in such common use for other things that legislation is likely to be ineffective unless it introduces a new specific term such as 'licensed engineer'. (e.g. this term already exists and is protected for aircraft 'mechanics')
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • Mr.Generous
    • By Mr.Generous 4th Mar 18, 11:44 AM
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    I knew an electrician once who had an equipotential bonding rod stuck up his ar... Some would have said earth rod, not him. When he got to hospital and the houseman offered to remove it he demanded at least a consultant. Some people are obsessed by titles.

    Once in my career I went from a job title that sounded quite grand to a lesser title in a more demanding role for more money. Some preferred to stay where they were because of the title. Some had envy towards those with the grander title. I cried all the way to the bank.
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 4th Mar 18, 12:13 PM
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    Risteard
    I knew an electrician once who had an equipotential bonding rod stuck up his ar... Some would have said earth rod, not him. When he got to hospital and the houseman offered to remove it he demanded at least a consultant. Some people are obsessed by titles.

    Once in my career I went from a job title that sounded quite grand to a lesser title in a more demanding role for more money. Some preferred to stay where they were because of the title. Some had envy towards those with the grander title. I cried all the way to the bank.
    Originally posted by Mr.Generous
    An earth electrode (e.g. rod) has nothing to do with protective equipotential bonding. That's why it's not carried a bonding rod. Earthing and bonding are completely different concepts.
    • moonpenny
    • By moonpenny 4th Mar 18, 12:53 PM
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    For goodness sake! This is like kids in a playground.
    Can we please get back to the topic in the original question and not this " mine is bigger than yours" argument.
    • TheCyclingProgrammer
    • By TheCyclingProgrammer 4th Mar 18, 2:35 PM
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    It!!!8217;s much more pleasant if you just put Risteard on mute. If you look through his posting history you!!!8217;ll see he!!!8217;s nothing more than a sad troll who spends most of his time being pedantic and nitpicking other people!!!8217;s posts. He rarely offers any useful or constructive advice to anyone and it makes you wonder why he bothers posting on here at all.
    • lg13mza
    • By lg13mza 4th Mar 18, 4:52 PM
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    lg13mza
    No, the specific title in the UK which is protected is "Chartered Engineer". A degree is not necessary (although is the easiest entry route) but corporate membership of a chartered professional body plus registration with the Engineering Council is required.

    The 'abuse' (if any) is actually by Chartered Engineers not calling themselves that and insisting others respect the title. But that might have something to do with the typical character traits associated with Chartered Engineers. Chartered Surveyors and Chartered Accountants for example have far fewer qualms about using their correct titles.

    The broad equivalent in Germany and various other countries is likewise legally protected. However, in the US an 'engineer' can also be someone who drives railway trains.

    I don't have an issue with people who fix gas appliances or washing machines calling themselves engineers. However, as a society I think we would be better off if there was a more specific title available and widely understood.

    Part of the problem with people being ripped off by cowboys is that they phone for an 'engineer' and associate the word with someone who knows what they are doing and can be trusted. Therefore when the cowboy arrives the customer is less inclined to question the spiel they are given, because they somehow imagine the 'engineer' is qualified and professional (rather than a bloke with a box of tools and a phone).

    The Government could improve things by restricting tradespeople from using the word 'engineer' unless they have a recognised qualification/training/apprenticeship, but frankly it would be a waste of time because the public will still use and understand the word 'engineer' in the way that they want to.
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    Semantics really. A UK passport application asks for: be a professional person (including those who are retired) for example bank or building society officials, police officers, civil servants, ministers of religion and people with professional qualifications like teachers, accountants, engineers, and solicitors. Note the lack of the word 'chartered'.

    Other than that I'm not really sure what your point was.

    I bet you are a dream to sit next to at parties.
    Last edited by lg13mza; 04-03-2018 at 4:56 PM.
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 4th Mar 18, 6:30 PM
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    EachPenny
    Semantics really. A UK passport application asks for: be a professional person (including those who are retired) for example bank or building society officials, police officers, civil servants, ministers of religion and people with professional qualifications like teachers, accountants, engineers, and solicitors.

    Note the lack of the word 'chartered'.
    Originally posted by lg13mza
    ...but the inclusion of the words "professional qualifications", not just someone who calls themselves an 'engineer'.

    I'm the life and soul at parties. I go round checking the equipotential bonding and make sure the CO alarms are all working
    "In the future, everyone will be rich for 15 minutes"
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 4th Mar 18, 8:25 PM
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    Risteard
    Can we please get back to the topic in the original question and not this " mine is bigger than yours" argument.
    Originally posted by moonpenny
    Yours is definitely smaller than mine...
    • silvercar
    • By silvercar 4th Mar 18, 9:47 PM
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    I think this thread has now run its course.
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    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 4th Mar 18, 10:11 PM
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    It!!!8217;s much more pleasant if you just put Risteard on mute..
    Originally posted by TheCyclingProgrammer
    I've had a quick look but to save me and others the bother how does one do that? Ta.
    • southcoastrgi
    • By southcoastrgi 4th Mar 18, 10:47 PM
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    I've had a quick look but to save me and others the bother how does one do that? Ta.
    Originally posted by silverwhistle

    Just ask him how a broom works
    I'm only here while I wait for Corrie to start.

    You get no BS from me & if I think you are wrong I WILL tell you.
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