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    • sam1970
    • By sam1970 2nd Mar 18, 1:50 PM
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    Delay in renovation work
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    Delay in renovation work 2nd Mar 18 at 1:50 PM
    The renovation work in our house is finally coming to an end. We were quoted, in writing, 3-4 months for the job but it took 9 months as the builders have accepted other jobs and did not turn up for work fro weeks. I feel that I should deduct some money from the final payment for the delay and the stress we have been through but how much? How would you calculate that?
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    • the_r_sole
    • By the_r_sole 3rd Mar 18, 7:25 PM
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    I find it rather perplexing that someone engages in a £150,000 building project with no contract, no knowledge or experience and no professional support. I'm inclined to think 9 months was pretty good under the circumstances.
    Originally posted by teneighty
    This is it, 150k worth of work and no one overseeing the works or a contract? I've had clients employing me to administer a contract for 30k because they wanted to make sure everything was built properly and there were no extras added ...
    Never tendered any work to contractors who have refused to enter a contract for the works, would be the first and last conversation with them tbh! It's crazy
    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 3rd Mar 18, 9:31 PM
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    Doozer aren't you forgetting it was the contractor who gave the 3/4 month time frame? I assume they knew the customer was going to be in residence throughout.

    Sounds like it was wishful thinking on the part of the contractor that they would be able to complete £150k worth of work with the family in residence and their other work commitments. Or it was a clever ploy to win the job and they always knew they couldn't complete in 4 months.

    However this does not change the fact that the OP has no grounds to claim damages for delays in the absence of a building contract with a L&AD clause.

    I find it rather perplexing that someone engages in a £150,000 building project with no contract, no knowledge or experience and no professional support. I'm inclined to think 9 months was pretty good under the circumstances.
    Originally posted by teneighty
    I cannot disagree at all. I do believe that most people enter into these contracts with each other with very little but wishful thinking. Works most of the time, I think, but when it doesn't...

    I don't think this situation is all that bad!
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    • sam1970
    • By sam1970 4th Mar 18, 8:37 AM
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    Thank you Doozergirl for your all negative comments...obviously you are always Mrs right. The builders (and they are a proper company by the way..not builders I picked off the street) knew from start the exact details of the job (They had architect drawings) and they knew that we will be living in the house. They took 3 weeks to produce the written quote so they took their time to consider every thing (cost and time). I can not help but to think that they made that just to get the job. I would not have had a problem if they were working daily and the work took longer but to not to turn up for weeks and leave jobs half done because they were busy doing other jobs gives me no grounds for sympathy and I will be brutal settling the final bill considering the disrespect they have shown
    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 4th Mar 18, 8:57 AM
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    Oh well, we tried.

    Getting into fights with people on the basis of 'disrespect' is childish and will only cause you more stress in the long run. You don't have a leg to stand on either, which is worse.
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    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 4th Mar 18, 9:12 AM
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    I will be brutal settling the final bill considering the disrespect they have shown
    Originally posted by sam1970
    You can be as brutal as you like, but without a legal leg to stand on in the form of a broken contract, you may find the stress just continues.

    Everyone here is telling you much the same thing, but you're the one who knows best.

    Well, good luck, because as someone who was in a dispute and withholding money last year, I have some experience of trying to reason with a company that provided poor service.

    It was only showing them that they broke the terms of their own contract which allowed me to say, "See you in court" as an alternative to a long, stressful argument. Nothing else had any effect whatever.
    'It's a terrible thing to wait until you're ready…..Generally speaking, now is as good a time as any.' Hugh Lawrie.
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 4th Mar 18, 9:22 AM
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    It was only showing them that they broke the terms of their own contract which allowed me to say, "See you in court" as an alternative to a long, stressful argument. Nothing else had any effect whatever.
    Originally posted by Davesnave
    In fairness - it sounds like the builder did "break the terms of their own contract" and OP does have it writing (signed by them) about the length of time it was supposed to take.

    I sympathise that it was naughty of the builders to go off at intervals (even for weeks at a time) and do other jobs instead. I wouldnt be surprised if the time over-run was vastly reduced if they hadn't pulled that stunt.

    I guess it boils down to one sympathetic builder here told me once "the trick is that it's down to 'the one who shouts loudest' is the one that gets dealt with first. It shouldnt be - but it is - and I respond to the shouter first myself". I wish I'd had him around at the outset - as I remembered that comment afterwards. For instance - when I needed some very minor work done by a firm (that I'd used before for a big job) recently and I was let down (without even a phonecall to tell me) I "shouted" and "shouted" again - result being it was done a week after the day it was due to be done. Bad result (ie it was a week late) - but I have the strong feeling it would never have been done ever if I hadn't "shouted".

    I've followed that builders advice several times since he told me that - and found he was right about how things operate here
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    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 4th Mar 18, 9:23 AM
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    Further up this thread I asked how you had paid this builder. I didn't get a reply.

    This thread is fascinating:
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5671478

    And I think it may well be obvious in this case that I am Mrs Right. You have been warned over and again in threads on this board and been given good advice about payment schedules and contracts. Not just by me, but I suspect my point about the builder's cashflow position was correct.

    Now you're at the end of a project which, given the date of that thread, cannot have taken nine months. And in another thread your belongings were stolen from your neighbour's house, not your own. Given the way you've ignored much of the advice given it's no surprise that you won't hear now. You could have avoided this. You should have avoided this. But, it could be far worse and there is some reason to be grateful because all you are faced with is an over run.

    I'm sad because I can see looking back that you've been seeking my advice and actively asking me questions for a long time.
    Last edited by Doozergirl; 04-03-2018 at 9:48 AM.
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    • sam1970
    • By sam1970 4th Mar 18, 9:44 AM
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    Yes...that thread was in June and we are now in March so it is 9 months as work started few days after that thread. As for the burglary, yes we had some of our belongings stolen from our neighbours house but within few days our house was burgled too. Actually 4 houses were burgled within two weeks in the same street.
    Although I was warned about paying in advance I had no other choice....no other builder accepted any different. Money is not an issue now as I am in control...I owe more money than uncompleted work as I ensured final payment is not paid until we are satisfied with all work
    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 4th Mar 18, 9:50 AM
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    The penultimate day of June to the very beginning of March is eight months.

    I'm glad you've turned it round on the money front from paying in advance but you could have continued to look for other builders. Just because one is in front of you, it doesn't mean that you have to use them. You were told not to by some good people with lots of experience. You could have waited for a good builder. As it is, you seem to have found someone who was available almost immediately for a fairly high value job. He probably thought is was Christmas.

    You are very, very lucky indeed that this did not go badly wrong and that you found someone who was essentially honest. I would literally be wiping the sweat from my brow and celebrating at this point.

    Four years worth of positive advice and you have the audacity to call me negative and to try and mock me about being right. I'm astounded. What were you doing here?
    Last edited by Doozergirl; 04-03-2018 at 10:00 AM.
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    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 4th Mar 18, 9:51 AM
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    In fairness - it sounds like the builder did "break the terms of their own contract" and OP does have it writing (signed by them) about the length of time it was supposed to take.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    The difference is that my contract was a legal document detailing the exact terms and conditions both sides agreed to and signed before work commenced.

    OP hasn't got that.
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    • sam1970
    • By sam1970 4th Mar 18, 9:59 AM
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    Thank you all guys for your replies...I guess Doozergirl was right in saying I was lucky that nothing major has went badly wrong. Will see how good are my negotiating skills
    • Furts
    • By Furts 4th Mar 18, 2:47 PM
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    Doozer aren't you forgetting it was the contractor who gave the 3/4 month time frame? I assume they knew the customer was going to be in residence throughout.

    Sounds like it was wishful thinking on the part of the contractor that they would be able to complete £150k worth of work with the family in residence and their other work commitments. Or it was a clever ploy to win the job and they always knew they couldn't complete in 4 months.

    However this does not change the fact that the OP has no grounds to claim damages for delays in the absence of a building contract with a L&AD clause.

    I find it rather perplexing that someone engages in a £150,000 building project with no contract, no knowledge or experience and no professional support. I'm inclined to think 9 months was pretty good under the circumstances.
    Originally posted by teneighty
    Also no interest. Only recently has OP been complaining about the damage done to the grass verge by their home, caused by the building works, yet claiming it is not their responsibilty. The logic here being they turned a blind eye to the damage and had no concept of community pride, or a sense of neighbourliness.

    I sense OP is a modern person,me, me, me, and to hell with everybody else, which includes not only their neighbours, but also their builders. If justice prevails then one hopes the builders will be equal to OP preaning themselves on their negotiating skills.

    Before anyone shoots me down on all this reflect on OP's earlier post "I am in control..." and then the earlier post " I will be brutal ...". I pity the builders for ever getting involved.

    The whole episode redefines the concept of a client from hell
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