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    • ShellyWidd
    • By ShellyWidd 2nd Mar 18, 1:40 AM
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    ukpp ltd Newcastle Airport
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    • 2nd Mar 18, 1:40 AM
    ukpp ltd Newcastle Airport 2nd Mar 18 at 1:40 AM
    Can anyone please advise as to whether I should pay these apparent cowboys or not?

    On the 2nd December 2017 I dropped a friend off at their Christmas party at the Double Tree Hilton Hotel, which is situated on a road leading into Newcastle Airport, I stopped just in front of the hotels car park barrier for approx. 30 seconds while they got out of the car and I then backed back out onto the road and left.
    Approximately 1 week later I received a parking charge notice from UK Parking Patrol Ltd saying I was in breach of bylaw 1315. they said they had requested my details from the DVLA on the grounds of a PCN 6.3 - parking in a prohibited area.
    I was very incensed by this and contacted them through the appeals process. Unfortunately however I had not seen or heard about this company before this time and stupidly told them I was the driver of the car at the time of the supposed offences saying the following:-

    I have been sent a parking charge notice by your company and I wish to appeal this charge for the following reasons.
    1. I did not at any time leave my vehicle, therefore was not parked, I merely dropped someone off.
    2. There were no signs on the barrier to say I could not do this
    3. There was extremely poor / no lighting on the sign which I believe has now been put on the fence adjacent to the hotel which neither of us saw on the night in question therefore no clear signage.
    4. The above statement is obvious from the car which came up behind me and did exactly the same thing!
    They replied within minutes with this response
    Thank you for your letter of appeal against the Parking Charge Notice issued by us on 07.12.2017

    Having carefully considered the evidence provided by you we have decided to reject your appeal for the following reasons:
    The vehicle was captured via CCTV footage unloading whilst stationary in an area that is well signed with notices stating: "No Stopping/Loading/Unloading In This Area". There are signs around the entire airport complex including at the entrance that clearly state the restrictions in place. Security at the airport is paramount and any vehicle captured loading/unloading in any area other than the official car parks is immediately issued a notice by the CCTV operator.!!!12288;

    The picture they sent me of the supposed sign is actually facing the Airport building which is some distance from the hotel and also in the opposite direction to the way I drove in. There was definitely no sign where I stopped at the time.

    I obviously did not pay and have since received 2 quite threatening letters from Debt Recovery Plus Ltd demanding payment on UKPP behalf or they are taking me to court

    I realise now that I was stupid to admit that I was the driver of the vehicle at the time and wondered if this makes as difference as to if they have a case or not.


    Thanks in advance for any help and/or advice
    Last edited by ShellyWidd; 02-03-2018 at 1:47 AM.
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    • ShellyWidd
    • By ShellyWidd 9th Apr 18, 9:25 PM
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    Just goes to show what complete idiots they are
    • ShellyWidd
    • By ShellyWidd 12th Apr 18, 2:22 PM
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    Is it worth contacting them via letter as I did with the other debt collectors as this appeared to prompt the supposed sale of the debt or should I just ignore them?
    • Castle
    • By Castle 12th Apr 18, 2:31 PM
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    Is it worth contacting them via letter as I did with the other debt collectors as this appeared to prompt the supposed sale of the debt or should I just ignore them?
    Originally posted by ShellyWidd
    No.... because your debt hasn't been sold; Zenith and DRP are the same company.
    • ShellyWidd
    • By ShellyWidd 27th Apr 18, 3:41 PM
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    Yet another letter today saying "Please be aware that if payment is not received this matter will be passed to our legal department with the recommendation that legal proceedings are necessary to recover the amount owed" and in capitals again NOTICE OF INTENTION TO COMMENCE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS

    It is so comical really does their "legal department " if it exists need to be told what to do??

    I'm seriously fed up of them now . Is there anyway of stopping all the threats?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 27th Apr 18, 3:44 PM
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    Is there anyway of stopping all the threats?
    Originally posted by ShellyWidd
    Only by paying them.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 27th Apr 18, 3:49 PM
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    Is there anyway of stopping all the threats?
    It won't stop them immediately, but in terms of the bigger picture, write to your MP and show him/her the level of threat and intimidation meted out by the PPC to you in the pursuit of their greed and profit.

    Remember, your MP is one of this country's lawmakers.
    The fact that I have commented on your thread does not mean I have become your personal adviser. A long list of subsequent questions addressed for my personal attention is unlikely to receive a reply.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • ShellyWidd
    • By ShellyWidd 28th Apr 18, 9:06 AM
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    Well saying as how I don't really owe anything that is not gona happen
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 28th Apr 18, 1:01 PM
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    Well saying as how I don't really owe anything that is not gona happen
    Originally posted by ShellyWidd
    What's 'not gona happen'?

    You're not gona write to your MP? Why not?

    Please be clear on who you are replying to.
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    • ShellyWidd
    • By ShellyWidd 30th Apr 18, 7:56 AM
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    [Only by paying them] KeithP is what I was refering to, which is clearly "what is not going to happen" as I had never parked at anytime despite ukpp ltd trying to say i had. May i just say you picking on me for forgetting to mention your quote is really not helping!
    • ShellyWidd
    • By ShellyWidd 30th May 18, 5:19 PM
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    So today I have received a very dubious solicitors letter from Gladstones saying their clients UK Parking patrol office Ltd and their agent Debt recovery plus now has the option to commence proceeding in the civil court, if I don't pay up in the next 14 days
    I say dubious as it is signed electronically by the looks of it, Gladstones solicitors not with an actual name of a person.
    Can anyone suggest how I tackle this one please
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 30th May 18, 5:21 PM
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    Who does the letter tell you to pay?

    Does the letter reference commence 1xxx, 3xxx or 4xxx?
    The fact that I have commented on your thread does not mean I have become your personal adviser. A long list of subsequent questions addressed for my personal attention is unlikely to receive a reply.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 30th May 18, 5:24 PM
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    is it a DRP letter ?


    if it is , then GLADRAGS have never seen it and it wont have a ref starting with a 1


    chances are its a DRPL letter with a pimped out letterhead, in which case you IGNORE it , they are trying it on by misleading you, DRPL cannot take you to court, only the PPC can do this , or the PPC can instruct a real solicitor to do so, which may be GLADRAGS or might be a different solicitors completely

    so this letter will not have come from GLADRAGS near Knutsford from their golf club address

    it wont have a gladrags phone number but a drpl one

    IT WONT HAVE A GLADRAGS REFERENCE

    IT WILL SAY TO PAY DRP AND NOT GSL

    debt collector letters are covered in post #4 of the NEWBIES FAQ thread
    Last edited by Redx; 30-05-2018 at 5:41 PM.
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 30th May 18, 5:38 PM
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    I'd be tempted to SAR gladstones
    when they respond that the6 hold no data on you, you complain to the SRA that either gs are lying about the satabheld, or they're allowing companies to use their name and fraudulently claim to be solicitors
    • DW190
    • By DW190 30th May 18, 5:48 PM
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    I'd be tempted to SAR gladstones
    when they respond that the6 hold no data on you, you complain to the SRA that either gs are lying about the satabheld, or they're allowing companies to use their name and fraudulently claim to be solicitors
    Originally posted by nosferatu1001
    I'll second that.

    If everyone who's had a letter from them did the same, it would become a numbers game backfiring on them.

    You can even do it without the cost of the stamp by email.
    • Castle
    • By Castle 30th May 18, 8:36 PM
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    So today I have received a very dubious solicitors letter from Gladstones saying their clients UK Parking patrol office Ltd and their agent Debt recovery plus now has the option to commence proceeding in the civil court, if I don't pay up in the next 14 days
    I say dubious as it is signed electronically by the looks of it, Gladstones solicitors not with an actual name of a person.
    Can anyone suggest how I tackle this one please
    Originally posted by ShellyWidd
    That's interesting because, based on your first post the 6 month period times out on the 2nd June; so 4 days from now.
    • ShellyWidd
    • By ShellyWidd 30th May 18, 9:02 PM
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    This letter is saying 6 years????
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 30th May 18, 9:10 PM
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    This letter is saying 6 years????
    Originally posted by ShellyWidd
    Any chance you might be answering some questions we pose? Like those in post #31?
    The fact that I have commented on your thread does not mean I have become your personal adviser. A long list of subsequent questions addressed for my personal attention is unlikely to receive a reply.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 30th May 18, 9:21 PM
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    Byelaws would be 6 months, civil is 6 years.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 31st May 18, 1:13 AM
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    And UKPPO issue 'parking charge notices' (after a very short flirtation with 'penalty' ones). So their PCNs are civil charges and like any other they can chase for 6 years but they can't hold the keeper liable on non-relevant land.

    Just ignore them unless you actually get a LBC or a court claim to defend.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • ShellyWidd
    • By ShellyWidd 31st May 18, 8:09 AM
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    [is it a DRP letter ?


    if it is , then GLADRAGS have never seen it and it wont have a ref starting with a 1


    chances are its a DRPL letter with a pimped out letterhead, in which case you IGNORE it , they are trying it on by misleading you, DRPL cannot take you to court, only the PPC can do this , or the PPC can instruct a real solicitor to do so, which may be GLADRAGS or might be a different solicitors completely

    so this letter will not have come from GLADRAGS near Knutsford from their golf club address

    it wont have a gladrags phone number but a drpl one

    IT WONT HAVE A GLADRAGS REFERENCE

    IT WILL SAY TO PAY DRP AND NOT GSL]
    [Any chance you might be answering some questions we pose? Like those in post #31?]

    Sorry I didn't answer this sooner. I began to reply to things and my internet decided to have a hissy fit and crash, so here is my reply now.
    You are right the ref number begins with 4 not 1 and DRP is mentioned throughout, not GLS. The address on the bottom of the letter is the golf club one you mentioned, but if this is the shoddy kind of paper a solicitor uses then I'll eat my hat. So I suspect you are right and this is yet another con. Thank you for you help once again
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