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    • By kah22 17th Feb 18, 9:40 AM
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    PIP in Northern Ireland 17th Feb 18 at 9:40 AM
    Hi, I helped a friend fill in her DLA to PIP Form a number of weeks back. We pushed hard and got a paper based assessment.

    Anyway I’m wondering how long she should have to wait to get a decision. The DfC said 6-8 weeks, while information I’ve been reading online suggests 4-6 weeks, admittedly that’s across the water

    I know that claimants here in the North are getting hammered at these assessments, see the Spotlight review sometime back

    Can anyone say what the figures are like for those receiving paper based assessments and if Capita’s financial problems has had any affect on the assessments

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    • By 50Twuncle 27th Apr 18, 3:02 PM
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    I have recently moved over from DLA to PIP. I received a notification letter between Xmas and New Year, I rang, answered some basic questions and was sent the detailed questionnaire. A week or so after returning it, I received a letter informing me about an assessor visiting me at home at the end of January.

    Six weeks later I received a letter informing me I had been awarded enhanced level for both mobility and careers allowance. The careers allowance was a level higher than DLA.
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    CARERS allowance is fixed at £62.70 in NI (£62.10 for rest of UK) for PIP
    EXACTLY the same as for someone claiming DLA
    And I assume that you meant - your carer received it rather than you

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    • By Sugarmummy 27th Apr 18, 11:03 PM
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    Think he means the care element of PIP, not carers allowance

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    • By Cherryscone 27th Apr 18, 11:12 PM
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    Six weeks later I received a letter informing me I had been awarded enhanced level for both mobility and careers allowance. The careers allowance was a level higher than DLA.


    All in all, the process was professional and smooth and I don!!!8217;t think people should be unnecessarily worried
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    I take It you mean Enhanced Care and Mobillty ?
    How Long was your Award for ?
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    • By Mossfinn 30th Apr 18, 1:56 PM
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    Really? I wasn’t aware people had to travel. I don’t know of anyone else who underwent the transfer to PIP so only have my own experience to refer to. Like most people, I was pretty stressed out by the whole concept since it was announced. When I got the letter I was very worried having read of so many peoples awful experiences.

    The only reason for my post was to show that it is not automatically negative.

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    • By kah22 15th May 18, 12:28 AM
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    An update. We posted back our MR and got a phone call this morning reminding us that time was running out but we advised him it had been sent by next day delivery the operative reckoned it just hadn’t been uploaded, said he’d get back to us next Monday

    I’m not expecting any change at MR stage so I’ve got my friend to agree to go to Tribunal in the hope they make an offer before we get there.

    I don’t expect to get anything for mobility but I’ve written the MR so when they start this big review I’ve set out a case
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    For reasons other than psychological distress cannot follow the route of a familiar journey without another person, an assistance dog or an orientation aid. 12 points
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    Probably won’t succeed but might get lower rate mobility on the back of it
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    • By kah22 15th May 18, 12:36 AM
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    As an addition to the above be careful what you say on the phone they seem to record all calls. My friend got a CD of telephone calls made and received

    Can!!!8217;t stress it to much ALWAYS ask for a SAR and if it is a FtF you!!!8217;re getting do it as soon as you F2F is over as it can take up to 40 days to arrive
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    what does sar mean and the 8217? I know F2F is Face to Face
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    what does sar mean and the 8217? I know F2F is Face to Face
    Originally posted by Cherryscone ”
    SAR = SUBJECT. ACCESS. REQUEST. With regards to a claim for PIPhere in NI, it is a request sent to the Department for Communities requesting them to hand over ALL information they hold on you in relation to your claim. This information is absolutely essential if you are planning a MR (mandatoryreconsideration and potentially onto a Tribunal. They DfC are legally obliged to provide such information within 40 days, they can withhold information if it could be dangerous to you. The other bit is gobble-gook, code thrown up by iPad

    Below is a copy of the one I sent

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    Subject Access Request - Request for personal information

    Name: Your Name
    Previous name(s) (if applicable

    Date of birth: ;
    National Insurance number: ;
    Full address (including postcode):
    12 AnyStreet
    Any Town
    Post Code

    Information required:

    • copy of the original DLA claim
    • copy of the inter-department correspondence passing the case from DLA over to PIP
    • copy of PIP2 questionnaire including all attachments and the Special Delivery bar code label
    • copy Capita file note determining that the case was to be handled via paper based assessment
    • copy of the Capita PA3 assessment report!
    • complete copy of the PIP 7001 award letter
    • anything/all they hold regards your DLA/PIP claim
    Computer records
    Clerical records
    Copy of telephone notes and taped conversation between the Health Professional and/or the Decision Maker with my consultant and any other telephone conversations held by DfC

    A paper request is to follow. Please acknowledge receipt.

    I asked for a PA3 Assessment Report because mine was paper based, if it were a f2f then you ask for a P4


    Signed Your Name
    Date
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    The advice I’ve been given is that once your f2f is over request the SAR, you need to have that information at hand if drawing up a request for a MR and from you’ve received notification you only have 30 days to return the request

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    In Northern Ireland they refuse to send you your Info Until your decision has been made different On the mainland which Is wrong
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    My wife was previously getting DLA. High rate in care and low middle in mobility I think. I filled in PIP forms and got reply this week that she now will get standard rate in care with 11 points and nothing in mobility with just 4 points. I telephoned and asked to be reassessed, hoping at least for a boost to 12 points to get " enhanced " in care category. Couple of questions, if she does get enhanced what does this mean, what will she get. Also do I still get carers allowance if her reassessment fails and she just gets standard rate
    I started out with nothing......And still have most of it left

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    My wife was previously getting DLA. High rate in care and low middle in mobility I think. I filled in PIP forms and got reply this week that she now will get standard rate in care with 11 points and nothing in mobility with just 4 points. I telephoned and asked to be reassessed, hoping at least for a boost to 12 points to get " enhanced " in care category. Couple of questions, if she does get enhanced what does this mean, what will she get. Also do I still get carers allowance if her reassessment fails and she just gets standard rate
    Originally posted by CEON44 ”
    The same number of points my GF received. Strange how 11 and 4 keep popping up all the time

    If you have t done so yet write and ask for a MR. Even if you have asked for one over the phone write a follow up letter and send it by recorded delivery (for safety reasons all letters should be sent this way

    Also ask for a SAR, see my post above, hopefully it will arrive back in time. You!!!8217;ll be surprised at how much extra information is in there. As an example we got phocopies of her old DLA forms

    Here are the current PIP rates. Sorry don!!!8217;t know about careers Allowance
    Component Weekly rate
    Daily living - standard rate £57.30
    Daily living - enhanced rate £85.60
    Mobility - standard rate £22.65
    Mobility - enhanced rate £59.75

    That extra point could mean £28.30 a week, well worth the fight

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    Last edited by kah22; 27-05-2018 at 12:46 AM. Reason: Adding extra information
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    My wife was previously getting DLA. High rate in care and low middle in mobility I think. I filled in PIP forms and got reply this week that she now will get standard rate in care with 11 points and nothing in mobility with just 4 points. I telephoned and asked to be reassessed, hoping at least for a boost to 12 points to get " enhanced " in care category. Couple of questions, if she does get enhanced what does this mean, what will she get. Also do I still get carers allowance if her reassessment fails and she just gets standard rate
    Originally posted by CEON44 ”
    You can still Claim Carers with Standard Care If she wasn't getting High Mobility before I would think that's why the 4 points If you Feel she should be getting Enhanced Mobility do a MR In writing stating why you feel she should be getting It If you feel she Needs High In care then again say In your Letter why she needs It be Mindful If you got to Appeal she could lose the standard Care as they look at the whole award .
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    You can still Claim Carers with Standard Care If she wasn't getting High Mobility before I would think that's why the 4 points If you Feel she should be getting Enhanced Mobility do a MR In writing stating why you feel she should be getting It If you feel she Needs High In care then again say In your Letter why she needs It be Mindful If you got to Appeal she could lose the standard Care as they look at the whole award .
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    A partner can claim CA when the claimant is claiming ZERO mobility - as in my case - just middle care component DLA..

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    A partner can claim CA when the claimant is claiming ZERO mobility - as in my case - just middle care component DLA..
    Originally posted by 50Twuncle ”
    The Op was Getting Low Mobility before and High Care But on DLA
    Now on their PIP award, they are getting Standard care and no mobility
    Their Question was can they still Claim Carers ...YES on the standard care you can
    Hopefully, If they do a Mr they get the extra point needed for Enhanced Care .

    In my view, DLA was an unfair System and PIP Is not much better People who should be awarded are not and there still are the ones taking the P .
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    The Op was Getting Low Mobility before and High Care But on DLA
    Now on their PIP award, they are getting Standard care and no mobility
    Their Question was can they still Claim Carers ...YES on the standard care you can
    Hopefully, If they do a Mr they get the extra point needed for Enhanced Care .

    In my view, DLA was an unfair System and PIP Is not much better People who should be awarded are not and there still are the ones taking the P .
    Originally posted by Cherryscone ”
    I have just asked for reconsideration over the telephone. The guy asked me a few tick box questions and said they will get back to me. I'm just hoping to pull the missing 1 point out of somewhere to get the enhanced rate. If I get that for my wife then I wont pursue further.
    I started out with nothing......And still have most of it left

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    I have just asked for reconsideration over the telephone. The guy asked me a few tick box questions and said they will get back to me. I'm just hoping to pull the missing 1 point out of somewhere to get the enhanced rate. If I get that for my wife then I wont pursue further.
    Originally posted by CEON44 ”
    Always best to follow up with a letter with any other Information you have and what you felt was wrong with the Original decision Good Luck
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    Remember that in all possibility you will NOT get that extra point, that seems the norm across the water. APEAL !!

    Why do I say apeal? Well going by what’s happened across the water 69 percent of those who go to apeal, win their case or have their points adjusted. Seemly it is most unlikely that the apeal panel will reduce the award. But however slim you have to take that into consideration

    Again from across the water it’s not uncommon for the DWP to phone and make you an offer

    Remember also that at any point up until you go through the door you can back away and still maintain the original award. It’s also worth remembering that your money goes on while waiting for the apeal to happen. If you get an increased award think of the back money !!!128523;

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    Remember that in all possibility you will NOT get that extra point, that seems the norm across the water. APEAL !!

    Why do I say apeal? Well going by what’s happened across the water 69 percent of those who go to apeal, win their case or have their points adjusted. Seemly it is most unlikely that the apeal panel will reduce the award. But however slim you have to take that into consideration

    Again from across the water it’s not uncommon for the DWP to phone and make you an offer

    Remember also that at any point up until you go through the door you can back away and still maintain the original award. It’s also worth remembering that your money goes on while waiting for the apeal to happen. If you get an increased award think of the back money !!!128523;

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    Reason my wife wont appeal is a lot of her problems are mental health and there is no way she could do a face to face tribunal. What I find strange is she will only get 57.30 on standard rate whilst as her carer I will get over £ 62
    I started out with nothing......And still have most of it left

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    Just thought I’d share some good news.

    My girlfriend with bipolar was awarded standard rate care and nil mobility. We entered a MR, and addressed every comment the DM made point by point. We drew attention to what we felt were inaccuracies and faults in the report. I don’t think we could have done this without the information we received from other websites and in the SAR we requested

    The DfC have now awarded her high rate care and standard mobility on a MR.

    The only bit I find hard to understand is that the award has been reduced from 2 maybe 3 years to six months which looks strange. The message was given over the telephone to the GF, I’ll wait to see the written offer just to make sure. We will accept

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    The only bit I find hard to understand is that the award has been reduced from 2 maybe 3 years to six months which looks strange
    Originally posted by kah22 ”

    It appears that the only circumstances that DWP will set a "lifetime" award for someone on Enhanced care and Enhanced mobility - which, in truth would be an absolute maximum of 10 years - and even then - can reassess you whenever they see fit !!
    I have been on DLA lifetime award for 14 years
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