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    • stupidflanders
    • By stupidflanders 16th Feb 18, 6:51 AM
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    Render, paint best option for exterior of my house
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    • 16th Feb 18, 6:51 AM
    Render, paint best option for exterior of my house 16th Feb 18 at 6:51 AM
    Hi we're in a dilemma. Our house is the shabbiest on our street. It was (i'm guessing) sprayed with a thick coat of paint stuff in the 70's over soil pipes and everything. There are a few areas where this has flaked off and patches where we've had new windows. We've had 3 quotes for rendering between £3250 and £5250, the higher quote man talked about metal mesh the lower quote guy showed me some flimsier mesh that they use. Does anyone know what kind of difference this make to the end result? What I'd really like to do is abandon the idea of rendering full stop and either take the house back to brick and paint it like my neighbours have Or patch and paint what I have is this dooable do you think more importantly is it cheaper? HELP going round in circles here.
    I'm not a complete idiot....some parts are missing
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    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 16th Feb 18, 7:36 AM
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    I doubt you will get it back to brick. The brick will end up too damaged.

    Patching what you have? It is going to be pretty hard to find something that will give you the same characteristics.

    Rendering probably is your best bet for a half decent finish. I donmt thinknwhich mesh you use is important, but a silicone based render is likely to last longer than cement based, but it will cost more again than your quotes.

    External insulation and render will give a really crisp finish.

    Do it once, do it right though. If you are genuinely the worst house, it is going to take some cost and effort to raise the standard.

    In all honesty, our house is similar. We painted it with some rather expensive type of paint with textured beads in it to try and keep the texture. The result was awful, lol! The colour is better but the wall still needs addressing. We might as well have just painted it with Sandtex. The render on ours is so thick and hard, I suspect the house would come down if we tried to remove it. At some point we will insulate the outside to go over it, but it is not a priority. Typical house that belongs to builders
    Last edited by Doozergirl; 16-02-2018 at 7:41 AM.
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    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 16th Feb 18, 7:50 AM
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    You probably won't be able to 'go back to brick' because removing the render will damage the bricks to some extent.

    If re-rendering I'd want stainless steel for all metalwork, like corner beads and mesh. Frankly, I don't trust some of the galvanised stuff produced now, but the choice might also depend on how long you plan to own the house. Some corner beads on my property, installed in 1990 were rusting by 2010.
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    • zoothornrollo
    • By zoothornrollo 16th Feb 18, 9:45 AM
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    • 16th Feb 18, 9:45 AM
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    You could get a good decorator to quote for a patch and paint job? It's obviously not going to look perfect but I'd think you will be improving it vastly, it will look transformed. Compared to which rendering could be diminishing returns from escalating cost?
    • vw100
    • By vw100 16th Feb 18, 3:11 PM
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    • 16th Feb 18, 3:11 PM
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    • 16th Feb 18, 3:11 PM
    Getting the house rendered will give the house a good neat look if done properly. Sand and Cement render cheaper materials but more on labour and need greater skill. Good practice to use mesh to stop the render cracking and using beading for neat sharp corners. Will also have to paint it after.


    K-Rend best to insulate the property first and then render, cheaper labour as it is quicker to apply but materials are expensive (saying that the labour will still be quite expensive anyway). K-Rend comes in different colours.


    So you need to weigh up the pro's and con's of both.


    Removing render will damage the bricks no doubt.
    • stupidflanders
    • By stupidflanders 17th Feb 18, 8:14 AM
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    • 17th Feb 18, 8:14 AM
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    • 17th Feb 18, 8:14 AM
    Thanks for all your comments you've been very helpful. I'm getting a painter in to see what they say and one more rendering quote, then I'll have to decide.
    I'm not a complete idiot....some parts are missing
    • VfM4meplse
    • By VfM4meplse 17th Feb 18, 8:34 AM
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    • 17th Feb 18, 8:34 AM
    External insulation and render will give a really crisp finish.
    Originally posted by Doozergirl
    What is this external insulation you speak of?
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    • By Doozergirl 17th Feb 18, 9:35 AM
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    • 17th Feb 18, 9:35 AM
    Thanks for all your comments you've been very helpful. I'm getting a painter in to see what they say and one more rendering quote, then I'll have to decide.
    Originally posted by stupidflanders
    Donít search for rendering on just price! Being the cheapest doesnít help when it looks awful.
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    • Doozergirl
    • By Doozergirl 17th Feb 18, 9:38 AM
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    • 17th Feb 18, 9:38 AM
    What is this external insulation you speak of?
    Originally posted by VfM4meplse
    https://www.thegreenage.co.uk/tech/external-solid-wall-insulation/
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    • VfM4meplse
    • By VfM4meplse 17th Feb 18, 1:03 PM
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    I learn so much on this forum!

    I need to invest in this when money allows. Will sort out all my heating woes (although at the moment it feels like I'm basking in the Med in my south facing conservatory!). Wish that I could conserve this heat
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    • road2manchester
    • By road2manchester 19th Feb 18, 12:12 PM
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    back to brick..... yes you can, Breathable brick effect render by companies like Decopierre.
    metal mesh has to be stainless steel not mild steel.
    Fibreglass mesh is cheaper but still OK as long as the wall is sound.
    The current surface needs to be investigated as renders do not stick to vinyl type coatings.
    NOT A CHEAP FIX but how much is KERB APPEAL worth.
    • susiej55
    • By susiej55 13th Mar 18, 6:50 PM
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    weber k rend
    do not use this weber monocouche k rend. We were promised no maintenance, now changed to low maintenance . After a few years it is totally unsightly with red and black algae all over it. It appears cleaning at a cost of about £750 every about every 2-3 years will be required. I can send photos
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 14th Mar 18, 8:00 AM
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    do not use this weber monocouche k rend. We were promised no maintenance, now changed to low maintenance . After a few years it is totally unsightly with red and black algae all over it. It appears cleaning at a cost of about £750 every about every 2-3 years will be required. I can send photos
    Originally posted by susiej55
    I think how long it lasts without cleaning will partially depend on your location.

    Just like all the other finishes, it will do less well in higher altitude places on the western side of the country, or indeed anywhere rainfall and humidity are above average.
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    • Furts
    • By Furts 14th Mar 18, 8:37 AM
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    do not use this weber monocouche k rend. We were promised no maintenance, now changed to low maintenance . After a few years it is totally unsightly with red and black algae all over it. It appears cleaning at a cost of about £750 every about every 2-3 years will be required. I can send photos
    Originally posted by susiej55
    You are being unfair here. There is no such concept as "no maintenance". But since you believe there is then you have to define what you mean by maintenance. If this means you want your render to remain pristine then just like a car it will need cleaning. There is no way the manufacturers of K Rend can be responsible for atmospheric grime, for pollution, and for walls that do not receive direct sunlight.

    All this also answers a fundamental. For centuries houses have been built in brick and this is because they do not need cleaning, they do not need pressure washing, they disguise the effects of pollution. Look at the millions of houses in old industrial areas, think of Coronation Street images, and reflect that the Victorians did common sense somewhat better than you. You chose to avoid this reality. Fine by me, but you cannot then complain about the obvious flaws with your decision.

    But whatever happens with your cleaning be ultra careful, because if pressure washers are used you run a real risk of ruining your K Rend. If you are doing this every 2-3 years then I would be worried. In essence the cost of renewal will be added to your regular £750 costs!
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