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    • SimonFen
    • By SimonFen 11th Feb 18, 7:40 PM
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    Oh My God! Is this a joke?
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    • 11th Feb 18, 7:40 PM
    Oh My God! Is this a joke? 11th Feb 18 at 7:40 PM
    The council moved me into temporary accommodation at last (years of waiting, long story) but I wasn't expecting the tenancy to be so insecure. It's weekly! Weekly! Has anybody ever heard of this?
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    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 11th Feb 18, 7:42 PM
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    Yes, the clue's in the name "temporary".

    They do that when an emergency presents itself. If you had an emergency you were lucky to get help.
    • Finchy2018
    • By Finchy2018 11th Feb 18, 8:18 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 8:18 PM
    If you have signed an AST they can't ask you to leave before 6 months has passed even if it's a weekly tenancy agreement
    • HampshireH
    • By HampshireH 11th Feb 18, 8:23 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 8:23 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 8:23 PM
    A lot of temporary accommodation is done on either a licence.

    Some is ASTs really depends on the type of accommodation I expect
    • G_M
    • By G_M 11th Feb 18, 9:01 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 9:01 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 9:01 PM
    Weekly teancies are not unusual.

    This may or may not be an AST. Please describe the accomodation and arrangement.
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 11th Feb 18, 11:43 PM
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    • 11th Feb 18, 11:43 PM
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    Its emergency accommodation. They want to be able to get tenants out quickly if they need to. I know you want longer term housing but it sounds like this is just a pit stop in the process. You will hopefully get there in the end.

    I do sympathise, I was in emergency accommodation myself but I did get permanent housing.

    If the council do their investigations and find they don't have a duty to house you, they aren't going to want to wait 6 months or a year before they can offer something that is in such short supply to someone else, which is why they rent such properties under licence rather than a full tenancy agreement.
    • theartfullodger
    • By theartfullodger 12th Feb 18, 4:30 AM
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    Usually with temporary accommodation you can be evicted without court action. Usually a licence not a tenancy.

    The council should be "evaluating your homeless application" and then decide if you are entitled to be rehoused at all (if not, often as " intentionally homeless" you get evicted). If entitled you may wait months or years (shouldn't happen) then get offered a 12 month private let: possibly a long way away.

    Unlikely to get a council or housing association property.
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 12th Feb 18, 4:44 AM
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    • 12th Feb 18, 4:44 AM
    Artful, it depends on the area. More and more boroughs do actively seek private rentals, but not all thank god. I was given social housing but was very aware my council's policy was going to change in the next year or so. It tends to happen more in 'expensive' boroughs.., and can involve a move to another area entirely which is the pits. However, as stated, it is becoming a more and more popular policy due to the well known shortage of social housing. I only heard about the proposed policy change through the Housing Officer for my emergency housing. He was undoubtedly putting the frighteners on me, but I have no doubt it is a move my council will make eventually (I live 12 miles outside London).

    What the OP needs to do is work hard to get all his ducks in a row to prove his need.., even now. I assembled Doctor reports, social workers, specialists etc. This all takes time as there are usually waiting lists if you don't already have these specialists lined up.

    If the OP has medical/mental health needs, get a care assessment urgently. Your council's website should detail how to do this. Again, depending on the council, this may increase your priority need if social workers will assess you as having priority needs (my council doesn't work like that, worst luck). Again there will be some sort of waiting list.
    Last edited by deannatrois; 12-02-2018 at 5:31 AM.
    • theartfullodger
    • By theartfullodger 12th Feb 18, 8:38 AM
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    Good comments deanna: He should also read the "housing allocation policy" for THAT council: Then again, slowly: And make sure he's informed council, in writing, of all priority/points/whatever matters from THEIR allocation policy that apply to him & his relatives. Sadly councils sometimes "forget" things they are told verbally.
    • SimonFen
    • By SimonFen 12th Feb 18, 2:07 PM
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    Thanks Deanna. I have all kinds of medical reports etc. that I've given to the council over the years that did indeed prove my need for social housing but they only decided at the last minute just before I was due to be evicted to house me temporarily. But I was originally told I would be offered secure social housing. All their assessments on me have been done since I made my applications to the council years ago. As far as I know they've already accepted a duty to house me in social housing so that's why I'm so shock at being put into temporary. They're telling me that everybody has to go through temporary first.
    Last edited by SimonFen; 12-02-2018 at 2:14 PM.
    • Pixie5740
    • By Pixie5740 12th Feb 18, 2:47 PM
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    There is a limited supply of social housing available. Even though you have been assessed as requiring assistance from the council there will be people higher up the list from you.

    Have you definitely been told that you will eventually be housed in social housing or just that the council will house you because they are not the same thing.
    • Margot123
    • By Margot123 12th Feb 18, 3:07 PM
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    I don't envy the uncertainty but on the other hand at least you do have a roof over your head and an address.
    • Grey's_Anatomyfan643
    • By Grey's_Anatomyfan643 12th Feb 18, 3:29 PM
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    The council moved me into temporary accommodation at last (years of waiting, long story) but I wasn't expecting the tenancy to be so insecure. It's weekly! Weekly! Has anybody ever heard of this?
    Originally posted by SimonFen
    I am not having a go at you but you should be grateful that you got a roof over your head, mostly in this weather, so why you complaining? I bet some poor person are cold in this snowy weather with rough sleeping in door ways and you having a moan because you in temporary accommodation? I have heard it all now, be thankful you are not homeless!!
    • SimonFen
    • By SimonFen 12th Feb 18, 7:41 PM
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    I am not having a go at you but you should be grateful that you got a roof over your head, mostly in this weather, so why you complaining? I bet some poor person are cold in this snowy weather with rough sleeping in door ways and you having a moan because you in temporary accommodation? I have heard it all now, be thankful you are not homeless!!
    Originally posted by Grey's_Anatomyfan643
    I've been street homeless, slept rough, been homeless for years, so don't tell me I should be grateful. The council did nothing for me for years knowing I was sick and getting sicker. Temporary housing is the least they could do and less than they should do.
    • Margot123
    • By Margot123 12th Feb 18, 7:45 PM
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    I remember the days when I was homeless and working, and the Council refused to help me because I was self-employed and had my van to live in. It was a very cold winter in 1993-4 but the weather got warmer and at least I had permanent accommodation even if it did have 4 wheels.
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 12th Feb 18, 7:57 PM
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    Simon, I'm afraid not everyone gets how important it is to have a home, one you can picture yourself in 5 years from now. When I moved here and was shocked at the way the move was handled (badly) and the lack of repairs (which still haven't been done, not one) I was told by some people on here that I should consider myself lucky and stop moaning.

    Yes, definitely there are people in Syria and other places, even on the streets that would bless these four walls. I do too, but the natural human thing is to want a home. Some place you can make your own. After five and a half years of not having that, I felt it, and I still feel it now.

    Once I can decorate (and know it'll be mine next year and the year after that rather than something that can be removed from me because a not so nice and manipulative LL wants to sell, or its temporary accommodation.., ) I will have a home. At the moment I have four walls, lucky to have it or not. I appreciate it but its not a home.., yet. There may be millions of people, for example, homeless and in private rentals.., but I know me only, and I know I do not yet have a home. I may never have in my head, because I am just a bit too aware of the transitory nature of housing now. If that makes me ungrateful or spoilt.., then I suppose I am.

    It might be an idea to get updates to the reports/letters you sent to the council if you haven't already. Well done on persisting, I know it isn't easy. The council are almost certain to decide they have a duty to place you in a property unles they can prove you did something in the recent couple of years to make yourself voluntarily homeless. Can't say if it will be private rental or social housing because that depends on your borough's policies and whether you can bid successfully on somewhere.

    I hope it goes well for you. This is just a pit stop on the journey.
    Last edited by deannatrois; 12-02-2018 at 8:02 PM.
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