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    • J_S_H
    • By J_S_H 10th Feb 18, 8:26 PM
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    Neighbours want to dig up our drive
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    • 10th Feb 18, 8:26 PM
    Neighbours want to dig up our drive 10th Feb 18 at 8:26 PM
    Our adjoining neighbours are (have already started) building an extension on the other side of their house. The overhead electricity cable currently attaches to their house where they want to build the extension. Northern Powergrid have said they will need to disconnect the cables and sink them underground. The problem is this means that they need to sink our power cable too which means digging up our block paved drive. NP have said the work will be guaranteed for two years but we have been given no assurances that it will be put back to the original condition.

    My concern is that they won!!!8217;t put the drive back to original condition and that it may sink after the work has had time to settle and we!!!8217;ll be left footing the bill to correct it. Does anyone have any similar experiences or thoughts on what they would do in our position?
    Last edited by J_S_H; 10-02-2018 at 10:42 PM.
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    • missile
    • By missile 10th Feb 18, 10:20 PM
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    "They said" I would expect and demand a detailed written proposal before I agree to any work being carried out on my property.

    It appears you have had detailed discussions with NP and they appear to be under the impression that you have agreed to the work?

    I think you are in a difficult situation and it is never too early to consult a solicitor
    Last edited by missile; 10-02-2018 at 10:28 PM.
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    • tessiesmummy
    • By tessiesmummy 10th Feb 18, 10:25 PM
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    If it was me id probably allow it with written agreement that if there are any problems with your drive in the next xx Amount of years then your neighbours will pay for repairs/ like for like new drive. If it were my partner on the other hand he'd say no flat out because he is an unhelpful git!
    • J_S_H
    • By J_S_H 10th Feb 18, 10:26 PM
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    It is never too early to consult a solicitor :-(
    Originally posted by missile
    I have a few friends who are solicitors but this isnít their area of expertise unfortunately. I wonder if Citizens Advice could help.
    • J_S_H
    • By J_S_H 10th Feb 18, 10:29 PM
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    If it was me id probably allow it with written agreement that if there are any problems with your drive in the next xx Amount of years then your neighbours will pay for repairs/ like for like new drive. If it were my partner on the other hand he'd say no flat out because he is an unhelpful git!
    Originally posted by tessiesmummy
    The only agreement Northern Powergrid will give me is that the work is guaranteed for 2 years, I have asked for written confirmation that work will be put back to original condition but the 2 years guarantee is all they will give me.

    My partner must be similar to yours as he keeps saying ďletís just say noĒ.
    • missile
    • By missile 10th Feb 18, 10:30 PM
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    I have a few friends who are solicitors but this isnít their area of expertise unfortunately. I wonder if Citizens Advice could help.
    Originally posted by J_S_H
    I am sure your friends can advise you who to consult and that would not be CAB.
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    • Aylesbury Duck
    • By Aylesbury Duck 10th Feb 18, 10:30 PM
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    Do you have legal cover on your home insurance?

    At this stage, I think a simple refusal to allow work to take place will do the immediate job. Legal advice may be required if the neighbour starts being difficult but as things stand, you are not obliged to allow work to take place on or in your property. Legal advice isn!!!8217;t needed for that.
    • Ms Chocaholic
    • By Ms Chocaholic 10th Feb 18, 10:32 PM
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    You haven't a contract with Powergrid so you can specify what conditions you wish otherwise the work doesn't go ahead.
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    • J_S_H
    • By J_S_H 10th Feb 18, 10:32 PM
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    "They said" I would expect and demand a detailed written proposal before I agree to any work being carried out on my property.

    It appears you have had detailed discussions with NP and they appear to be under the impression that you have agreed to the work?

    I think you are in a difficult situation and it is never too early to consult a solicitor
    Originally posted by missile
    I have asked for a written agreement that the work will be put back to original condition but all they will give me is a 2 year guarantee for the work.

    I have had detailed discussions with them but I havenít agreed to the work, they definitely arenít under the impression we have agreed, more the opposite to be honest.
    • Ms Chocaholic
    • By Ms Chocaholic 10th Feb 18, 10:34 PM
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    If your neighbours get uppity, show them the discussion on here which will show you are being very reasonable in the circumstances.
    Thrifty Till 50 Then Spend Till The End

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    • J_S_H
    • By J_S_H 10th Feb 18, 10:37 PM
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    Do you have legal cover on your home insurance?

    At this stage, I think a simple refusal to allow work to take place will do the immediate job. Legal advice may be required if the neighbour starts being difficult but as things stand, you are not obliged to allow work to take place on or in your property. Legal advice isn!!!8217;t needed for that.
    Originally posted by Aylesbury Duck
    No we donít have legal cover unfortunately.

    It looks like any good neighbourly relations we had are going to be severed which I didnít want. I canít understand why they have started the work without our agreement, either they thought that we would just say yes to the work without any agreements in place or they thought they could play the Ďweíve already started and need this work doingí card. Either way itís infuriating.
    • J_S_H
    • By J_S_H 10th Feb 18, 10:39 PM
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    If your neighbours get uppity, show them the discussion on here which will show you are being very reasonable in the circumstances.
    Originally posted by Ms Chocaholic
    Thank you for that Ms C, I was feeling like I was being unreasonable and awkward but this thread has made me realise that Iím definitely not.
    • tired dad
    • By tired dad 10th Feb 18, 10:46 PM
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    I!!!8217;d prefer underground cables and would jump at the chance of getting it done at another!!!8217;s expense. I would say no unless drawn up contact to make good driveway from approved contractor and make good any internal stuff via painter and decorator plus cost of my time. I would prefer a meter in my garage rather than in my house. Don!!!8217;t like letting strangers in
    • J_S_H
    • By J_S_H 10th Feb 18, 10:50 PM
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    I!!!8217;d prefer underground cables and would jump at the chance of getting it done at another!!!8217;s expense. I would say no unless drawn up contact to make good driveway from approved contractor and make good any internal stuff via painter and decorator plus cost of my time. I would prefer a meter in my garage rather than in my house. Don!!!8217;t like letting strangers in
    Originally posted by tired dad
    I would be happy to have them underground too, Iím just thinking of the possible issues that could arise from the work. I definitely wonít agree unless there is a written agreement or signed contract. They have point blank refused to reimburse me for my time.
    • missile
    • By missile 10th Feb 18, 10:54 PM
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    .... I would prefer a meter in my garage rather than in my house. Don!!!8217;t like letting strangers in
    Originally posted by tired dad
    Good point and I would prefer a meter cupboard on the wall outside the property. This may facilitate rerouting the cable to avoid digging up the driveway?
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    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 10th Feb 18, 11:04 PM
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    is there no option that would allow the cable to your house to stay over head or routed underground and up a(their) wall and across to your existing house entry point?

    Would you be interested in taking this opportunity to have the meter moved?
    • jungle jane
    • By jungle jane 10th Feb 18, 11:16 PM
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    I had something a bit similar with National Grid - it was to re-route a built over service. They needed dig up a small strip of the drive and part of the garage in order to run some cables or pipes to the smart meters. The whole thing was a gigantic pain as they were hard to get hold of, were vague in their descriptions of exactly what would be done and wouldn't put anything in writing. They left the hole for a couple of weeks and the day they verbally agreed to come and fix it they then simply never showed up so i stayed home all day for nothing.

    I would strongly recommend you get everything in writing - dates, times and extent of inconvenience. In our case the people who come to dig up and lay the cables are not the same people who then fill the hole so these are on different days. Then we had to get another british gas engineer out as they messed up the meters. I'm still fuming about the whole thing - it was weeks of stress and disruption.
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 10th Feb 18, 11:18 PM
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    AFIK, you do not have to agree to the work and if you are concerned you could refuse?
    Originally posted by missile
    Absolutely.

    The Access to Neighbouring Properties Act (which I expect is what is at the back of their minds) is for "necessary maintenance" and not for "improvement".

    What they are doing is "improvement". Bat the ball back to them and refuse.
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    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 10th Feb 18, 11:25 PM
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    Thank you for that Ms C, I was feeling like I was being unreasonable and awkward but this thread has made me realise that I!!!8217;m definitely not.
    Originally posted by J_S_H
    You're most definitely NOT being remotely unreasonable.

    They, on the other hand, have quite deliberately tried to back you into a corner by springing this on you with darn all warning. Neighbours do sometimes deliberately do the "giving minimal notice - or none" in order to catch one off balance. I've had that done to me in my last house - literally 30 minutes before work involving my extension wall was due to take place and everything all set up already they came and "asked my permission". Yeh - right....

    In current house I strongly suspect work would have been done involving my property if I hadnt (thankfully) been in at the time and clearly forbidding them touching anything to do with me.

    They are trying to catch you off balance and undermine your confidence and not give you time to find out the facts.
    Last edited by moneyistooshorttomention; 10-02-2018 at 11:29 PM.
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    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 11th Feb 18, 5:54 AM
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    Absolutely.

    The Access to Neighbouring Properties Act (which I expect is what is at the back of their minds) is for "necessary maintenance" and not for "improvement".

    What they are doing is "improvement". Bat the ball back to them and refuse.
    Originally posted by moneyistooshorttomention
    However it's not the neighbour who wants to do this work, but National Power, who aren't governed by the same rules as you and me.

    Basically, if NP determine that they need to enter someone's land in order to sustain a supply, they can.

    Now, whether this is a matter of economics rather than logistics is something I can't say from where I'm sitting, but in a sense it's immaterial, because NP will want to do what's best for them.

    So the OP can push against any change on their own property, but if that will cost NP too much, or can be shown as against the interests of NP, then they may well push back, somewhat harder.
    If you are finding huge gaps between your paragraphs and use Firefox, MSE know about the problem. However, they aren't necessarily doing anything about it yet....
    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5844460
    • moneyistooshorttomention
    • By moneyistooshorttomention 11th Feb 18, 7:25 AM
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    The neighbour is the one behind National Power and the reason NP wish to do this.

    Put like that = neighbour has the power to "call them off" or tell them to do things in an alternative way that doesnt involve OP.
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