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    • MiiCK90
    • By MiiCK90 10th Feb 18, 1:18 PM
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    CP Plus Parking Charge
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    • 10th Feb 18, 1:18 PM
    CP Plus Parking Charge 10th Feb 18 at 1:18 PM
    Hello all,

    I just received a letter in the post stating I owe CP Plus 100 for overstaying at a motorway services.

    The driver was driving from Newcastle > Manchester late at night and they couldn't keep their eyes open so pulled into MOTO Wetherby for a break, as soon as they pulled into a space (furthest away from the doors to the services, car park empty) they fell straight asleep and woke up 6 hours later.

    Arrival time: 28/01/18 04:37
    Left at: 28/01/18 10:16

    They didn't enter the services at any point, literally pulled in, fell asleep, woke up, left.

    They wrote to my home address and said they got my information from the DVLA as to who was the driver. I am the keeper.

    Charge: 100, 60 if paid in 14 days.

    They honestly didn't see any signage or know that they'd have to pay for the parking.

    I've read a few forum posts and the newbies sticky too and I feel quite confused and stressed about how hard the process seems to be with a lot of 'big words'

    I'm not able to visit the place and take photographs etc as I never drive there.

    Can anyone break it down for me simply what I need to do? I'd greatly appreciate it, worried to post in all honesty as every post I've read has been greeted by some quite nasty responses and I don't want that

    Cheers for any help all x
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 10th Feb 18, 1:29 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 1:29 PM
    .....worried to post in all honesty as every post I've read has been greeted by some quite nasty responses and I don't want that.......
    Originally posted by MiiCK90

    If in every thread you have read you consider the responses quite nasty you must be very oversensitive!


    Trust this is not too nasty - but it is realistic:


    The process isn't straightforward BUT if you take the FAQ in small chunks and reread them time and time again you will get it in the end


    Throughout here you will have seen you are advised never to reveal who was driving


    You need to edit your post to remove details of who was driving
    Last edited by Quentin; 10-02-2018 at 6:17 PM.
    • MiiCK90
    • By MiiCK90 10th Feb 18, 1:46 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 1:46 PM
    I'm not oversensitive at all, just stating the fact that I've read numerous posts by people who aren't computer literate etc and have been greeted bluntly and rudely in my opinion, no need to get your back up and if your first sentence in response to my ask for help and no confrontation is to call me names, I can't say I welcome your response whatsoever.

    I have edited the post.
    • waamo
    • By waamo 10th Feb 18, 1:56 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 1:56 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 1:56 PM
    First you cut and paste the initial appeal in the Newbies thread and send it as is to CP Plus.

    In a couple of weeks you will get a POPLA code.

    You then appeal to POPLA again using templates from here.
    This space for hire.
    • MiiCK90
    • By MiiCK90 10th Feb 18, 1:58 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 1:58 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 1:58 PM
    Cheers waamo - is it just this part? I don't need to add/remove anything whatsoever?

    I read on other posts about delaying appeals to the 20th day and stuff - do I need to in this case or just send it today?



    Dear Sir/Madam,

    Re PCN number:

    I am the keeper of the vehicle which received this purported 'parking charge'. There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn. I am not liable and I believe that your signs fail the test of 'large lettering' and prominence, as established in ParkingEye Ltd v Beavis. Your unremarkable and obscure signs are in small print and the onerous terms are not readable.

    Should you fail to cancel this PCN immediately, I require the following information with your template rejection:

    1. Does your charge represent damages for breach of contract? Answer yes or no.
    2. Please provide dated photos of the signs that you say were on site, which you contend formed a contract.
    3. Please provide all photographs taken of this vehicle.

    I am alarmed by your contact and I do not give you consent to process any data relating to me, or this vehicle. I deny liability and will not respond to debt collectors. You must consider this letter a Section 10 Notice under the DPA, and should you fail to respond accordingly, your company will be reported to the Information Commissioner.

    I have kept proof of submission of this appeal and will also be making a formal complaint to your client landowner.

    If you are a current BPA member, send me a POPLA code. If you are an IPC firm, cease and desist with all contact.

    Yours faithfully,
    • waamo
    • By waamo 10th Feb 18, 2:05 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 2:05 PM
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    • 10th Feb 18, 2:05 PM
    That's the one. While you are waiting for your POPLA code have a read around for appeals to POPLA.

    CP Plus are usually easy to beat.
    This space for hire.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 10th Feb 18, 2:41 PM
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    I've read a few forum posts and the newbies sticky too and I feel quite confused and stressed about how hard the process seems to be with a lot of 'big words'
    What big words?

    An appeal is written out for you and the NEWBIES thread says ''submit this online, as keeper''.

    Not sure how much more easy it can be.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • MiiCK90
    • By MiiCK90 14th Feb 18, 2:39 PM
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    • 14th Feb 18, 2:39 PM
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    What big words?

    An appeal is written out for you and the NEWBIES thread says ''submit this online, as keeper''.

    Not sure how much more easy it can be.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Did you comment here thinking you were actually helping in any way? No need for your absolutely pointless comment.
    • MiiCK90
    • By MiiCK90 14th Feb 18, 2:43 PM
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    • 14th Feb 18, 2:43 PM
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    • 14th Feb 18, 2:43 PM
    In my letter from CP Plus it states this:

    Following the landmark supreme court ruling of parking eye vs beavis, it has now been established thatr a parking charge notice issued on private land is enforceable. The court rejected claims that such charges are extravagant, exorbitant or unconscionable and advised that such charges act as a necessary deterrent for breach of contract. If you feel you have sufficient grounds to appeal this notice you will find full details of the appeals process overleaf.


    In the text you told me to send to them it mentions the parking eye vs beavis - is it still ok to send that or is what they state in the initial letter going to be referred to by them and dismiss what I'll send them?

    Cheers
    • waamo
    • By waamo 14th Feb 18, 2:49 PM
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    Haven't you sent it yet? Just cut and paste it and send it.
    This space for hire.
    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 14th Feb 18, 3:58 PM
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    Did you comment here thinking you were actually helping in any way? No need for your absolutely pointless comment.
    Originally posted by MiiCK90
    That's a really good way to receive continued help here! Posters are trying to aid you by giving of their expertise and their time freely.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 14th Feb 18, 5:14 PM
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    That's a really good way to receive continued help here! Posters are trying to aid you by giving of their expertise and their time freely.
    Originally posted by Le_Kirk
    And Coupon-mad is the most knowledgable person on private parking matters anywhere in the country. It is she who wrote the NEWBIES FAQ sticky.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 14th Feb 18, 5:29 PM
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    Did you comment here thinking you were actually helping in any way? No need for your absolutely pointless comment.
    Originally posted by MiiCK90
    Out of your first 4 posts here 3 diss the volunteer helpers - including your first one!


    Wonder why you keep coming back for help if you are so unhappy with what you see here!


    (Though do notice you happy to accept the advice given)


    Don't expect too much more after this last rudeness aimed at CM!
    • MiiCK90
    • By MiiCK90 14th Feb 18, 5:39 PM
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    That's a really good way to receive continued help here! Posters are trying to aid you by giving of their expertise and their time freely.
    Originally posted by Le_Kirk
    Did his post help in any way shape or form? No. He just came to have a go which I do not appreciate. He has a lot more experience in this field whereas I do not and he is judging my ability to take everything in that I've read on here. No need for it.
    • MiiCK90
    • By MiiCK90 14th Feb 18, 5:42 PM
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    Out of your first 4 posts here 3 diss the volunteer helpers - including your first one!


    Wonder why you keep coming back for help if you are so unhappy with what you see here!


    (Though do notice you happy to accept the advice given)


    Don't expect too much more after this last rudeness aimed at CM!
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Another person here sticking their nose in and not actually helping in any way.

    I never said anything apart from that I've read posts from new people in my position posting a genuine need for help and being greeted rudely by members on other posts I'd read - which I asked not to happen to me - and which is EXACTLY what happened to me.

    I stated I read the newb thread but it is long and talks about all sorts of things that aren't exactly relevant to what I needed to do, all I needed was that cut/paste section but it was clouded by all sorts of responses etc - not having a go just asked can someone re-clarify it in simple terms. Pipe down.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 14th Feb 18, 5:44 PM
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    Pipe down.
    Originally posted by MiiCK90
    OK. Will do. Good luck.
    .
    • MiiCK90
    • By MiiCK90 14th Feb 18, 5:54 PM
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    OK. Will do. Good luck.
    Originally posted by KeithP
    You haven't commented here yet and you've came to what - just troll? Jesus.

    I literally asked for help and was greeted by people being rude and not helpful - what a brilliant forum.

    I am thankful to the people who are actually helping someone who has absolutely no clue what he is doing and has ZERO experience in this field. IMO if people (coupon mad) has the best knowledge in the world then why not just say, aye mate no worries if you didn't understand my thread properly - atleast you read it which many before you haven't - all you need to do is XYZ pal. Would have been a lot better ayyyy?

    Haven't you sent it yet? Just cut and paste it and send it.
    Originally posted by waamo
    I was just worried that because they've already quoted this case to me in my initial fine letter that the appeal won't be accepted etc because they've already said basically: We've seen parking eye vs beavis but we still are fining you because we don't think that case applies here - so didn't want to send that general appeal text to be greeted by a rejection

    Do you not see my point?
    • waamo
    • By waamo 14th Feb 18, 6:04 PM
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    You will get a rejection that's how you get a POPLA code. Please spend the weekend reading the Newbies thread. Yes it can be daunting but it really isn't that difficult.

    Don't try to do it in one go you will give up but essentially it's cutting and pasting winning appeals.
    This space for hire.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th Feb 18, 11:36 PM
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    Do you not see my point?
    No we don't. These are so easy to win it's almost fun, but you seem keen to alienate us all.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • MiiCK90
    • By MiiCK90 15th Feb 18, 8:09 PM
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    No we don't. These are so easy to win it's almost fun, but you seem keen to alienate us all.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Not the case at all, but if someone wants to come talk to me with attitude then I can give back too.

    You will get a rejection that's how you get a POPLA code. Please spend the weekend reading the Newbies thread. Yes it can be daunting but it really isn't that difficult.

    Don't try to do it in one go you will give up but essentially it's cutting and pasting winning appeals.
    Originally posted by waamo
    Cool man, that's what happened the first time round - read so much and got so confused by everything I wanted to give up and pay.

    I'll send what you said and comment back with their response.

    Cheers
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