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    • Nikiya
    • By Nikiya 8th Feb 18, 1:31 PM
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    Help with buying a laptop
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    • 8th Feb 18, 1:31 PM
    Help with buying a laptop 8th Feb 18 at 1:31 PM
    Need to replace my battered 7 year old Dell Inspiron before it packs up altogether.
    A friend adviced me to go for i5 and 8 GB for long lasting service. He also recommended the Lenovo brand. But in the last few days most of the laptops I had shortlisted have gone up in price. My friend also changed his advice on Lenovo after learning they have some problems.
    At the same time, I have found some very good options in refurbished laptops. I have read they are well tested and a good option.
    I was ready to go for a HP with https://maximumcomputers.co.uk/ which have very good reviews in Trust Pilot. But I noticed www.mycheaplaptop.co.uk which do NOT have good reviews, say “Microsoft Authorized Refurbished”. Is that an assurance you MUST look for?
    I would be grateful for any pointers since the more I research the more confused I am.
    My budget is not strict. I am prepared to spend up to around 500 pounds for the right choice, but if I can get the same service for less money I’d rather go for that option.
    I use mostly Word and do quite a bit of research online but I do not need graphics. Many thanks in advance!
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    • ballyblack
    • By ballyblack 8th Feb 18, 1:59 PM
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    https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/lenovo-ideapad-320s-14ikb-14-laptop-grey-10169401-pdt.html
    • toshi
    • By toshi 8th Feb 18, 2:42 PM
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    • 8th Feb 18, 2:42 PM
    At 2018, get an SSD computer!
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    • 8th Feb 18, 2:42 PM
    Need to replace my battered 7 year old Dell Inspiron before it packs up altogether.
    A friend adviced me to go for i5 and 8 GB for long lasting service.
    Originally posted by Nikiya
    Let your friend know about an SSD
    https://youtu.be/O4ykrNhI5xk?t=27s

    Option 1)
    Get an SSD to replace with your Dell Insprion hard disk.

    Crucial MX500 250GB SSD (5 year warranty)

    Practically your 7 years old Insprion with an SSD would be faster than a brand new i5 hard disk computer.


    Option 2) If you still want to get a newer notebook, then get a decent refurbished Business notebook (Dell Latitude, HP EliteBook, Lenovo ThinkPad)

    Ask your friend to pick up your notebook from there ?
    https://www.encore-pc.co.uk/laptops/windows-laptops

    As you have a budget, I suggest to upgrade from 160GB hard disk to Crucial MX500 SSD by yourself, (i.e. your friend)

    Now 2018, Stop buying hard disk computers(60 years old technology!

    Happy Happy SSD computing
    • Nikiya
    • By Nikiya 8th Feb 18, 3:10 PM
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    • 8th Feb 18, 3:10 PM
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    • 8th Feb 18, 3:10 PM
    Regarding the Lenovo Ballyblack published, I had found it a few days ago at less than 400 pounds. It went up around 25% as I mentioned. Or more, I do not remember the exact price.
    Toshi: My friend knows about SSD but he's heard Lenovo screens are not performing well.
    Your option of renewing the disk is tempting, but how about the processor? This one has an Intel celeron...
    Besides, I should also renew the battery!
    The laptop I had picked from Maximum was a HP EliteBook.
    Last edited by Nikiya; 08-02-2018 at 3:13 PM.
    • toshi
    • By toshi 8th Feb 18, 10:36 PM
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    • 8th Feb 18, 10:36 PM
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    Toshi: My friend knows about SSD but he's heard Lenovo screens are not performing well.
    Your option of renewing the disk is tempting, but how about the processor? This one has an Intel celeron...
    Besides, I should also renew the battery!
    The laptop I had picked from Maximum was a HP EliteBook.
    Originally posted by Nikiya
    You (and your friend) is a type of person to want to spend some time and have some hands on DIY experience with your computer ? I hope you are, then what I would suggest to get an SSD for your Insprion. Test by yourself.

    A) If you are happy about performance, get a battery as well. You can keep using it.

    B) Even you decided to get a newer computer, probably you may want to keep the SSD Insprion as a backup. Get a refurbished business grade notebook like Dell latitude, and another SSD

    C) With some reason, you don't want to keep your Insprion, Get a refurbished business grade notebook like Dell latitude, then reuse the SSD for a newer machine.

    It is really up to you. but I would start from A?

    Happy SSD computing
    • bsod
    • By bsod 8th Feb 18, 11:33 PM
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    • 8th Feb 18, 11:33 PM
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    what aspect of the battery it has received is affecting the use of Word or a web browser

    re-install it, and (if it is really needed), buy a new battery
    Last edited by bsod; 09-02-2018 at 12:13 AM.
    Don't you dare criticise what you cannot understand
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 9th Feb 18, 9:18 AM
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    Ballyblack !!!!


    You didnt just link to / suggest pc world did you ???!!!!


    Go and sit in the corner ..




    OP , anyone can say "Microsoft Authorized Refurbished" but there is no such thing .
    Microsoft didnt make these machines - avoid this misleading seller
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    • AlwaysHere
    • By AlwaysHere 9th Feb 18, 9:36 AM
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    £500 is overkill for what you need, but here are a few examples of what you can get; https://mcscom.co.uk/product/dell-latitude-15-5580-i5-7300u-2-6ghz-8gb-128gb-ssd-m-2-15-6-hd-win-10-pro-1yr-rtb-wty-mll807/
    https://mcscom.co.uk/product/dell-latitude-14-5470-i7-6600u-2-60ghz-16gb-128gb-ssd-radeon-r7-m360-14-fhd-w10p-1yr-rtb-wty-mll809/
    https://mcscom.co.uk/product/dell-latitude-5480-i5-6200u-2-30ghz-8gb-256gb-m-2-sata-14-fhd-win-10-pro-1yr-rtb-wty-mll719/ Security mark on lid
    • Britnall7700
    • By Britnall7700 9th Feb 18, 10:43 AM
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    Ballyblack !!!!


    You didnt just link to / suggest pc world did you ???!!!!


    Go and sit in the corner ..




    OP , anyone can say "Microsoft Authorized Refurbished" but there is no such thing .
    Microsoft didnt make these machines - avoid this misleading seller
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    Afraid there is such a scheme: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/refurbishedpcs
    • Britnall7700
    • By Britnall7700 9th Feb 18, 10:53 AM
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    OP - Anything with an i5, 8Gb+ of RAM and a 256Gb+ SSD should see you well for a number of years. I would not fixate on the screen too much in this price bracket. There are a few different types of panel out there, some better than others, but then it's like comparing a £500 TV to a £2000 TV. Just find something that does the resolution you like. Personally I like higher resolution screens so everything is smaller and I can get more on screen. Other people complain and say they can't see anything so lower the resolution and would have been better off with a cheaper panel in the first place.

    Have you been to any shops just to get a feel for the size and form factor you like? Even to look at the screens. I think this really helps narrow down the choices. Sometimes I get a shock when I see how large and bulky some of them are or even how flimsy some of the smaller ones are.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 9th Feb 18, 11:41 AM
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    Afraid there is such a scheme: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/refurbishedpcs
    Originally posted by Britnall7700

    Perhaps i should have been clearer ..


    OP , anyone can say "Microsoft Authorized Refurbished" but there is no such thing for laptops,
    as
    Microsoft didnt make these machines - avoid this misleading seller




    Incase you didnt notice - the retailer in question does NOT sell any microsoft hardware, so how do microsoft authorise them to refurb other peoples products
    Last edited by AndyPix; 09-02-2018 at 11:44 AM.
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    • ClippTube
    • By ClippTube 9th Feb 18, 5:41 PM
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    What are you using the laptop for? Work? Gaming? Everyday use?
    • pineapple
    • By pineapple 9th Feb 18, 6:13 PM
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    I am using a refurbished Dell laptop from Amazon. It has been perfect but I will be reluctantly replacing it this Spring as the operating system is XP.
    Looking at Windows 10. I only need it for email, surfing, picture storage and the occasional catch up TV and there is plenty under £150 that will do for me.
    Last edited by pineapple; 09-02-2018 at 6:21 PM.
    • toshi
    • By toshi 9th Feb 18, 7:51 PM
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    And CPU and RAM, why do ppl think that putting an SSD in a PC is the fix for everything

    Originally posted by lomax512
    As ppl has been told about CPU and RAM only . I am not sure for everything, but SSD can fix the for most outstanding cases. (see the below)

    The things we have been told about CPU and RAM were based upon a pre-Flash memory era environment. We really need to update our understanding fundamentally.

    Some related issues (Let me repeat again here)

    Last 6-7 years, CPU cost/performance is completely flat. (6-7 years old CPU would be quite capable of running the latest application in general, apart from netbook Atom processors. Then naturally an SSD is the first upgrade choice for existing computers.)




    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=72351323#post72351323


    2GB RAM with an SSD is actually much faster than 8GB RAM with a Hard Disk. (For older devices, the first thing you need to do is to replace a hard disk with an SSD, although I am not against to add memory AFTER an SSD upgrade)




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn6zxoh3oK4

    I don’t mind how much extra memory you install or how powerful processor you use as long as you have installed an SSD at 2018. That is the point, OP did not mention about an SSD.

    I have upgraded the most of my clients’ computers with SSDs. Then things I have found is that the typical problems such as Windows update errors, Exchange mail clients sync errors with a cloud server are completely gone! Nobody never ever told me that the SSD can fix these issues. Yes, actually the SSD would fix the most of the existing outstanding issues for general computing.

    If you haven’t use an SSD, seeing is believing. It is the time! Happy SSD computing
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 9th Feb 18, 10:07 PM
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    I agree with Toshi
    Installing an SSD is the best thing the average user can do to get the biggest single immediate improvement in performance
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    • debitcardmayhem
    • By debitcardmayhem 10th Feb 18, 12:22 AM
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    I agree with Toshi
    Installing an SSD is the best thing the average user can do to get the biggest single immediate improvement in performance
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    Even with a seven year old celery ? I don't buy into that at all , eventually the OP will put salt on the side of the plate and we all that is not good for you. Re-install first, then check out that the internet connection speed,which almost people suffer from (perception really), unless they multitask, which 7 year old celerons don't do well.
    Then hook up the laptop via ethernet see if it (appears to show) shows improvement. SSDs speed up start-up but can't help with bad on-line speed/multi-tasking speed. If you spend most of your time browsing/social media and the like, then it's normally down to poor 802.11 b/g on a 65Mbps fibre connection which your ISP sold you to speed things up. Just my take on it really
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 11th Feb 18, 12:56 PM
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    What single component would you replace that would give a bigger performance increases than an ssd ?
    Last edited by MSE ForumTeam5; 11-02-2018 at 1:13 PM. Reason: Quoting deleted post
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    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 11th Feb 18, 2:24 PM
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    OP , anyone can say "Microsoft Authorized Refurbished"
    Originally posted by AndyPix
    No they can't.

    but there is no such thing .
    Yes there is such a thing.

    https://devicepartner.microsoft.com/en-GB/communications/comm-microsoft-registered-refurbisher-program

    My business was a Microsoft Registered Refurbisher for half a decade. You have to apply to have the status and they do some vetting of your company and periodically you do some online product training and take an online test. It gives you access to Refurbisher licenses of Windows 10 which are at some very preferential rates.

    Every machine you put a Refurbished license on in order to get a product key to activate the installation you have to log onto the Microsoft Registered Refurbisher portal, you enter the 14 number code above the barcode on the license sticker of the original OS, it then blacklists that product key so it can never be used again, generates a new product key for the Refurbished License sticker you've put on that individual machine and generates a PDF to print out with the key on and an explanation of the license for the new purchaser.
    Last edited by Tarambor; 11-02-2018 at 2:26 PM.
    • AndyPix
    • By AndyPix 11th Feb 18, 3:04 PM
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    Of course they can , watch ..

    I am an authorised Microsoft refurbisher.

    In case you hadnt guessed, Im actually not.
    If someone is going to create a scam website do you think they care what accolades they plaster over it?
    Real or not
    Last edited by AndyPix; 12-02-2018 at 12:34 AM.
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    • lomax512
    • By lomax512 11th Feb 18, 7:08 PM
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    No they can't.


    Yes there is such a thing.

    https://devicepartner.microsoft.com/en-GB/communications/comm-microsoft-registered-refurbisher-program

    My business was a Microsoft Registered Refurbisher for half a decade. You have to apply to have the status and they do some vetting of your company and periodically you do some online product training and take an online test. It gives you access to Refurbisher licenses of Windows 10 which are at some very preferential rates.

    Every machine you put a Refurbished license on in order to get a product key to activate the installation you have to log onto the Microsoft Registered Refurbisher portal, you enter the 14 number code above the barcode on the license sticker of the original OS, it then blacklists that product key so it can never be used again, generates a new product key for the Refurbished License sticker you've put on that individual machine and generates a PDF to print out with the key on and an explanation of the license for the new purchaser.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    Thank you for this information.
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