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    • Labtec81
    • By Labtec81 7th Feb 18, 11:49 PM
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    Neighbour turned off gas supply
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    • 7th Feb 18, 11:49 PM
    Neighbour turned off gas supply 7th Feb 18 at 11:49 PM
    My neighbour for the last week minimum has been going into my gas meter box and shutting off my gas supply between 7 and 8.30pm and turning it back on at 6am when he leaves for work!! So at night I've had no hot water or central heating and after exhausting every other thing it might be I finally clicked what's been going on and I was right!! When I opened the box that houses the gas meter and checking what position the handle should be with a neighbours gas meter it was obvious mine had been deliberately turned off.

    Funnily enough he'd complained about the boiler vibrating after the heating has been on for a few hours and he said he couldn't get a proper nights sleep, well whenever I heard it usually literally 5 minutes after it started making the vibrating noise I turned the tap on which relieved the pressure and stopped the boiler from vibrating!

    But for my neighbour to take it upon himself to turn my gas off is surely against the law? Tampering with someone else's gas supply being the offence?

    Had I not had a backup form of heating in the form of an electric fan heater I would have been freezing and 1 of the nights before I got the fan heater I was so cold because the temperature was -4 outside that my skin even changed colour to a purply blue colour, this is due to long term illness which has led to poor circulation.

    I have emailed the landlord to broach this subject with my neighbour even though I've no actual proof it was definitely him, but the times it goes off and comes back on all coincide with when my neighbour leaves for work (when the gas supply comes back on) and when he comes home from work it mysteriously turns off between 7pm and 8.30pm, I got picked up by a friend of mine tonight at 8.15pm and as we drove off to go to the supermarket I saw my neighbour clear as day come out of the front door and when I checked the gas meter shortly after I'd got back at around 10pm the gas supply had been turned off!

    Does anybody else have any further advice I need to be aware of??
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    • paddycharlie
    • By paddycharlie 8th Feb 18, 9:46 AM
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    When is your next gas safety check due?

    I would be inclined to write to the LL to say you have been having intermittent problems with the boiler and gas feeds to the property.
    Detail the times that the gas is off and advise the LL of the issue at least with a view to ensuring that these issues are addressed.

    At this point I would not be inclined to point the finger directly at the other tenant as I agree with others that it is not the LL's responsibility to deal with "personal and personality "issues between the pair of you as neighbours,however it is the LL's responsibility to provide you with the ability to use gas within your property at your choosing.

    You could also mention that on occaision it appears that the lever to control the gas supply is "slipping " to the off position and therefore to eliminate any foul play by others perhaps the LL would either arrange to fit a padlock or combination lock to the meter cupboard at allow you permission to do so.
    Originally posted by need an answer

    The OP already emailed the LL about the neighbour
    • RADDERS
    • By RADDERS 8th Feb 18, 9:49 AM
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    Why don't you just turn it on again instead of freezing?
    Originally posted by seven-day-weekend
    The op says when I finally clicked, so I assume that as it was on when they got up they didnít check the meter box. Iím not sure that I would have thought about checking the Gas was on either.
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 8th Feb 18, 9:51 AM
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    Open the gas box and load up a whole bunch of glass jars and things that clatter.... pack them in there awkwardly so when the door's opened they'll all fall out and smash.

    Prepare your own "receiving box" layered with soft towels/pillows so that if you have to go out there you can open it carefully and drop them into the prepared box without breaking.

    Then lay in wait.... ready to pounce when he does it.

    He'll open the door, smash, you'll rush out and give it a large dose of "OI - NO!!". And have it out with him.
    • seven-day-weekend
    • By seven-day-weekend 8th Feb 18, 9:53 AM
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    seven-day-weekend
    The op says when I finally clicked, so I assume that as it was on when they got up they didnít check the meter box. Iím not sure that I would have thought about checking the Gas was on either.
    Originally posted by RADDERS
    OK fair point.
    • need an answer
    • By need an answer 8th Feb 18, 9:54 AM
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    need an answer
    The OP already emailed the LL about the neighbour
    Originally posted by paddycharlie
    I appreciate that however the LL is not obliged to get involved in disputes between tenants but will have an obligation to deal with an issue over intermittent gas supply.

    Therefore I am suggesting that the OP makes some observations regarding the timing of gas loss and details that to the LL.

    Of course if the LL is happy to act on the email that the OP has already sent then all well and good.

    I was just giving another view to the type of contact that could be made.
    My suggestion was also in keeping with being a little more formal than an email,by writing!
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    • G_M
    • By G_M 8th Feb 18, 9:56 AM
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    1) ultimately this is neighbour dispute. The LL might want to get involved, but does not have to.

    2) the vibration is a fault that should be reported in writing to the LL and investigated

    3) the OP needs proof - hidden camera is a good idea

    4) Putting a lock on the cupbard needs investigation - check with the gas supplier. Many gas meters are in standard locked cupboards and the meter readers etc have a standard key

    5) if adding a padlock etc, ge the LL's permission

    6) Once you have proof eg from hidden camera (or catch him in the act? With phone camera?), either a friendly chat, and/or the police

    7) or simply turn it back on every night after he's turned it off - chances are he'll give up after a few nights
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 8th Feb 18, 9:59 AM
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    Well obviously one of his other tenants is interfering with my gas supply!! And of course it's their responsibility to confront my neighbour if he's causing a nuisance by what he's doing!
    - it really isn't. Don't start talking nonsense, when so far you've appeared quite reasonable

    So ask me again what it's got to do with the landlord, hmm let's see... It's one of HIS tenants interfering with another tenants gas supply, who do you suggest to contact if not the landlord!! - The gas supplier, the police, your parents. It's not the LLs job to deal with neighbour disputes.

    Clearly the landlord should get involved, if I were a landlord I'd want to know if I had multiple tenants if one of them was causing a nuisance to another of my tenants! And obviously the landlord has the power to do something about it, even just having a word with him might stop it from happening again.

    And the boiler is being looked at BUT the fact it vibrates does NOT give my neighbour the right to turn off my gas supply!!!!
    Originally posted by Labtec81
    ... perhaps the neighbour isn't the only one with an attitude problem.
    • stator
    • By stator 8th Feb 18, 10:00 AM
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    stator
    Stick one of these in the meter box:
    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-REMOTE-CONTROLS-WIRELESS-PIR-MOTION-SENSOR-SHED-HOME-GARAGE-CARAVAN-ALARM/322488863629?epid=526548050&hash=item4b15d58b8d:g: I-wAAOSwdGFYnqrp

    When he opens the door it will go off. You can turn it off with the remote control
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 8th Feb 18, 10:01 AM
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    I'd have thought your neighbour's actions were deemed 'anti social'. Your landlord has a duty to inform their tenant of this and take remedial action if necessary.

    Not only that, the gas supply has been interfered with other than for reasons of an emergency.

    OP don't start messing with the box yourself, that might be criminal damage if you start drilling holes etc, and putting locks on it to impede the supply. You'd be as bad as them!
    Originally posted by Margot123
    No, it's not anti-social. and the LL does not need to take action unless their tenant has actually been convicted of anti-social behaviour.
    • AylesburyDuck
    • By AylesburyDuck 8th Feb 18, 11:00 AM
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    No, it's not anti-social. and the LL does not need to take action unless their tenant has actually been convicted of anti-social behaviour.
    Originally posted by Comms69
    How is tampering with someone elses gas supply thus turning off the heating NOT anti social.
    Explain your thinking on this?
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 8th Feb 18, 11:20 AM
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    How is tampering with someone elses gas supply thus turning off the heating NOT anti social.
    Explain your thinking on this?
    Originally posted by AylesburyDuck
    Because anti-social behaviour is defined in Crime and Disorder Act (1998)as: 'Acting in a manner that caused or was likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress to one or more persons not of the same household as (the defendant).'


    s.5 of the public order act indicates the type of behaviour which may be considered to cause H,A or D:
    Harassment, alarm or distress. E+W
    (1)A person is guilty of an offence if heó
    (a)uses threatening [F1or abusive] words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
    (b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening [F1or abusive],
    within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.
    • AylesburyDuck
    • By AylesburyDuck 8th Feb 18, 11:28 AM
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    AylesburyDuck
    Because anti-social behaviour is defined in Crime and Disorder Act (1998)as: 'Acting in a manner that caused or was likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress to one or more persons not of the same household as (the defendant).'


    s.5 of the public order act indicates the type of behaviour which may be considered to cause H,A or D:
    Harassment, alarm or distress. E+W
    (1)A person is guilty of an offence if heó
    (a)uses threatening [F1or abusive] words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour, or
    (b)displays any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening [F1or abusive],
    within the hearing or sight of a person likely to be caused harassment, alarm or distress thereby.
    Originally posted by Comms69
    And you dont find that willfully turning off someones gas supply (one that doesnt belong to you) fits in that criteria of harassment, alarm or distress?
    Wow. Alrighty then.
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    • marliepanda
    • By marliepanda 8th Feb 18, 12:09 PM
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    How is tampering with someone elses gas supply thus turning off the heating NOT anti social.
    Explain your thinking on this?
    Originally posted by AylesburyDuck
    There is no proof of this...

    When the OP gets proof, then maybe. Right now he has now proof at all
    • Raxiel
    • By Raxiel 8th Feb 18, 12:20 PM
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    If you get the lugs to lock it, you could always fit one with a combination rather than a key, then provide the supplier with the combination.

    Not much help if they subcontract it out and don't pass on notes, but at that point it's their problem not yours.

    Short of catching the neighbour in the act, you could always play dumb and ask if they've had trouble with their supply, then mention you're getting the police involved because it's a criminal offence. They might be more inclined to knock it off if they don't have to suffer a bruised ego by admitting they were in the wrong.
    • Tropically
    • By Tropically 8th Feb 18, 12:28 PM
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    The 1998 Law isn't the newest one covering this. Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 says:

    In this Part !!!8220;anti-social behaviour!!!8221; means!!!8212;
    (a)conduct that has caused, or is likely to cause, harassment, alarm or distress to any person,
    (b)conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to a person in relation to that person's occupation of residential premises, or
    (c)conduct capable of causing housing-related nuisance or annoyance to any person.

    This is certainly the first two.
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    • jack_pott
    • By jack_pott 8th Feb 18, 12:37 PM
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    If you get the lugs to lock it, you could always fit one with a combination rather than a key, then provide the supplier with the combination.
    Originally posted by Raxiel
    I can confirm from experience that that won't work.

    I gave the gas board a key to let themselves in and service my water heater, and then came home to find a card through the door: "Nobody at home".

    Another appointment: another card. And again and again.

    On a Friday I came home early to find that nobody had been, but just as I picked up the phone to call them the van pulled up outside:

    "That was good timing, I was just about to call the office. Have you got my key?"
    "Key? What key?"


    P!ss up & brewery.
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    • AylesburyDuck
    • By AylesburyDuck 8th Feb 18, 12:49 PM
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    There is no proof of this...

    When the OP gets proof, then maybe. Right now he has now proof at all
    Originally posted by marliepanda
    That wasnt a point i was trying to make, the point was WHAT he classed anti social.
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    • G_M
    • By G_M 8th Feb 18, 1:08 PM
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    The 1998 Law isn't the newest one covering this. Anti-social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 says:

    In this Part !!!8220;anti-social behaviour!!!8221; means!!!8212;
    (a)conduct that has caused, or is likely to cause, harassment, alarm or distress to any person,
    (b)conduct capable of causing nuisance or annoyance to a person in relation to that person's occupation of residential premises, or
    (c)conduct capable of causing housing-related nuisance or annoyance to any person.

    This is certainly the first two.
    Originally posted by Tropically
    Unless I missed it, the starting point of of this debate about anti social behavior was whether the landlord should get involved.

    Not the police.

    1) the LL should not get involved in an unproved allegation.

    2) a LL certainly has a contractual, and statutory (S8 ground 14), right to evict a tenant for anti social behavior - but that would be following a conviction.
    • arielsmelody
    • By arielsmelody 8th Feb 18, 1:21 PM
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    Have you tried putting tape on the meter box to keep it closed? That wouldn't stop someone pulling the tape off to access it, but it would send a message that you've realised what's happening. Then it would depend on how stubborn minded they were.
    • Raxiel
    • By Raxiel 8th Feb 18, 1:39 PM
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    Raxiel
    I can confirm from experience that that won't work.

    I gave the gas board a key to let themselves in and service my water heater, and then came home to find a card through the door: "Nobody at home".

    Another appointment: another card. And again and again.

    On a Friday I came home early to find that nobody had been, but just as I picked up the phone to call them the van pulled up outside:

    "That was good timing, I was just about to call the office. Have you got my key?"
    "Key? What key?"


    P!ss up & brewery.
    Originally posted by jack_pott
    I don't doubt it, but that's why I suggested a combination lock. Just a line on the notes rather than a single physical object.

    I'm basing this on something House Martin said on the energy board about getting supplier notes when reading meters, although I'd still give it less than 50/50 odds of success.
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