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    • bobbydobbs
    • By bobbydobbs 7th Feb 18, 10:59 AM
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    Debt Recovery Plus Demand for Payment! plz help!
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    • 7th Feb 18, 10:59 AM
    Debt Recovery Plus Demand for Payment! plz help! 7th Feb 18 at 10:59 AM
    Hello all,

    This is a bit tricky so I have decided to post - I have looked through the Newbie threads but not sure how (or if) to tackle my parking charge appeal:
    Here goes:

    We moved house last year. My partner only rememebered to change her address (as registered keeper of my vehicle) with DVLA in December 2017.

    We have just got a letter from Debt Recovery Plus asking for 160 for a penalty that happened in Nov 2017 - they are working on behalf of Euro Car Parks Ltd.

    The reason for issue is: Vehicle parked longer than the maximum period allowed. It was Gatwick south terminal. I believe this is unfair as the driver stopped for a sandwich (bought from BP) ate it, made some phone calls, and then went on their way. I was in the vehicle the whole time and I saw absolutely no signage regarding a time limit (or any other parking related stuff).

    So my question is - how do I proceed?

    Someone I know called DRP annomously explained the house move and asked how to proceed with an appeal - they said it was too late and the person had lost any chance to appeal by not informing the DVLA of the address change in time.


    OK any advice very gratefully recieved,

    Many Thanks
    B
    Last edited by bobbydobbs; 07-02-2018 at 11:16 AM.
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 7th Feb 18, 11:05 AM
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    • #2
    • 7th Feb 18, 11:05 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 11:05 AM
    Edit your post to remove information about who parked and had a sandwich. Parking scammers monitor this forum.

    Re-read the NEWBIES which tells you NEVER to 'phone anyone, and tells you why it is safe to ignore debt crawlers.

    If you can't appeal online for whatever reason, send a late appeal by post, first class from a Post Office and obtain a free proof of posting, but please, edit your post first. Use the template from the NEWBIES exactly as it is. Do not reveal the driver's identity.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
    "You're Safety Is My Primary Concern Dear" - Laks
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 7th Feb 18, 11:10 AM
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    • #3
    • 7th Feb 18, 11:10 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 11:10 AM
    This is a scam which we hope will be shut down soon.

    Never ever telephone these scammers, if this went to court you would need a paper trail

    Please watch this

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and send a robust complaint to you MP
    Last edited by The Deep; 07-02-2018 at 11:15 AM.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • bobbydobbs
    • By bobbydobbs 7th Feb 18, 11:14 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 11:14 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 11:14 AM
    Great thanks for this quick and clear advice.

    Seems very suspect that the appeals page is malfunctioning.

    I will indeed snail mail an appeal.

    Lastly - as per newbie advice - is there any hope in me contacting the BP garage to complain at this point?

    Thanks
    B
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 7th Feb 18, 11:42 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 11:42 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 11:42 AM
    What are you going to complain about, the PCN or the sandwich?
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • waamo
    • By waamo 7th Feb 18, 11:43 AM
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    • #6
    • 7th Feb 18, 11:43 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 11:43 AM
    Always complain to the land owner. Even if they will not cancel it then they have to do some work replying to you.

    Anything that makes employing a ppc seem like trouble helps.
    This space for hire.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 7th Feb 18, 11:48 AM
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    • #7
    • 7th Feb 18, 11:48 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 11:48 AM
    Gatwick is a known honeypot for scammers and where
    you have scammers, there are leeches who follow.

    DRP is one of those leeches and you must ignore them.
    DRP HAS NO POWER TO DO ANYTHING
    DRP jusr send out rubbish letters which seems to keep
    them happy so just let them play with their toys

    Whar do the signs say in the garage ????
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

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    • bobbydobbs
    • By bobbydobbs 7th Feb 18, 12:53 PM
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    • #8
    • 7th Feb 18, 12:53 PM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 12:53 PM
    thanks to all resonders for all the help!

    Anyone know who I should complain to at BP? the actual store? the head office?? both?

    Also - Euro Car Parks are saying its too late to appeal to them and all correspondence must go through DRP.

    So what do I do now? Continue to push Euro Car Parks to drop the fine? Make an appeal direct to DRP? Or just wait until DRP take it to court??

    Many Thanks

    B
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 7th Feb 18, 1:08 PM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 1:08 PM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 1:08 PM
    thanks to all resonders for all the help!

    Anyone know who I should complain to at BP? the actual store? the head office?? both?

    Also - Euro Car Parks are saying its too late to appeal to them and all correspondence must go through DRP.

    So what do I do now? Continue to push Euro Car Parks to drop the fine? Make an appeal direct to DRP? Or just wait until DRP take it to court??

    Many Thanks

    B
    Originally posted by bobbydobbs
    You are not understanding, DRP has no power to take you
    to court ...... DRP ARE COMPLETELY POWERLESS
    Just expect more pure junk from DRP, they then give up
    and pass it back to Euro.

    If you get a court claim from one of the wacky races
    solicitors they may use, return here.

    In the meantime find out more about this BP garage
    as most are a franchise and that will point you as to whom
    you contact

    Euro offer self enforcement which could mean that a member
    of staff at the garage is the culprit
    https://www.eurocarparks.com/services-we-offer/ecp-services#service-2893

    You must do some detective work
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 7th Feb 18, 1:29 PM
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    I am carefully watching for any claims where "self enforcement" has been used by BPA members after 1st jan 2018 , as the COC now specifically bans anyone getting a "back hander for passing info to a BPA member

    if the situation arises I am going to say that a signed statement of fact and examination in court should be asked for
    Save a Rachael

    buy a share in crapita
    • MansNotHot
    • By MansNotHot 7th Feb 18, 1:38 PM
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    Hi All,


    I've had a very similar case with Euro Car Parks from October 2017 - who have referred it to DRP - now 3 letters in. The latest offering me a discount from 160 to 136 as a Final settlement before Court.


    They are saying 'I left site' - which I didn't. Plus I was also well within the 2 hours stay that's plastered on their signage in the Car Park.


    Seems clear cut from what I've been reading alot on various Forums and it seems that they are just threats.....


    Has anyone ever been taken to Court for similar ???


    Equally - a friend of mine has received a DRP letter recently for an overstay by 10mins in different Car Park. This time they have photographic evidence so different circumstances.


    Thoughts on both please ???


    Thanks in advance......
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 7th Feb 18, 1:51 PM
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    Hi All,


    I've had a very similar case with Euro Car Parks from October 2017 - who have referred it to DRP - now 3 letters in. The latest offering me a discount from 160 to 136 as a Final settlement before Court.


    They are saying 'I left site' - which I didn't. Plus I was also well within the 2 hours stay that's plastered on their signage in the Car Park.


    Seems clear cut from what I've been reading alot on various Forums and it seems that they are just threats.....


    Has anyone ever been taken to Court for similar ???


    Equally - a friend of mine has received a DRP letter recently for an overstay by 10mins in different Car Park. This time they have photographic evidence so different circumstances.


    Thoughts on both please ???


    Thanks in advance......
    Originally posted by MansNotHot

    Yes have a read of this, http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=16231 then read the newbies thread on here, then start your own thread please.
    • bobbydobbs
    • By bobbydobbs 7th Feb 18, 2:19 PM
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    ok many many thanks again for the advice.

    Last question:

    Should I snail mail an appeal letter ( as per template on this forum) to Euro Car Parks, regardless of the fact that they have said I am now outside the appeals period?

    Or just wait for the court claim and take it from there?

    thanks
    B
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 7th Feb 18, 2:36 PM
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    ok many many thanks again for the advice.

    Last question:

    Should I snail mail an appeal letter ( as per template on this forum) to Euro Car Parks, regardless of the fact that they have said I am now outside the appeals period?

    Or just wait for the court claim and take it from there?

    thanks
    B
    Originally posted by bobbydobbs
    No point, you are outside of the appeal stage, they will
    not want to know

    You just site and wait, it may never happen
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 7th Feb 18, 3:13 PM
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    Personally I would appeal anyway. That way if it got to court you could show that you were reasonable and tried to resolve this.

    When you complain to the landowner, tell them this.

    These are some of the comments, the actual words used by MPs concerning the unregulated parking industry last Friday in parliament.

    Cowboy companies, signage deliberately confusing to ensure a PCN is issued, rogue parking companies, bloodsuckers, absolute disgrace, rogue operators, unfair charges and notices, wilfully misleading, signage is a deliberate act to deceive or mislead, unreasonable, designed to trap innocent drivers, a curse, harassing, operating in a disgusting way, appeals service is no guarantee of a fair hearing, loathed, outrageous scam, dodgy practice, outrageous abuse, unscrupulous practices, the BPA is as much use as a multi-storey car park in the Gobi desert.


    Complain to your MP as well.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
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    • Le_Kirk
    • By Le_Kirk 7th Feb 18, 3:20 PM
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    What do the signs say in the garage ????
    Originally posted by beamerguy
    From the OP:-
    I saw absolutely no signage regarding a time limit (or any other parking related stuff).
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 7th Feb 18, 8:28 PM
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    So what do I do now? Continue to push Euro Car Parks to drop the fine? Make an appeal direct to DRP? Or just wait until DRP take it to court??
    Or just wait for the court claim and take it from there?
    Calm down! An ECP Court claim, LOL...and pigs might fly.

    ECP never sue anyone, and DRP can't. Read the NEWBIES thread and sit on your hands.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • bobbydobbs
    • By bobbydobbs 8th Feb 18, 11:30 AM
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    OK many thanks for all the advice on this.

    I urge you to keep up the good work on this forum.

    As with anyone with a family and / or other commitments to meet, getting a bill for 160 out of the blue is very stressfull indeed.

    Driving past an unseen sign is surely no way to enter a 'legal' contract. Seems to me like a simple way for these companies to legaly obtain your address from your number plate in order to bully you into giving them money.

    I feel sorry for all those stressed out, vulnerable, people who simply pay up out of fear.

    As I say - keep up the good work fighting this scam!!
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 8th Feb 18, 12:30 PM
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    We all agree bobby

    With regards to DRP, they are the lowest of the low
    pond life and behave like a rabid dog.

    We say ignore these idiots but for those who like
    to play games with droids, there are plenty of things
    people can do with their waste of paper

    You now understand and you can help by telling your friends
    about these vermin .... just pass it on

    In close second place of course are the disgraceful solicitors
    who are on some sort of funny stuff with the habit
    of wasting a courts time?

    It's all been noticed by government and we will not stop
    until the scam is taken down
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
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