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    • John Pots
    • By John Pots 7th Feb 18, 8:46 AM
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    I want to know if this is considered benefit fraud
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    • 7th Feb 18, 8:46 AM
    I want to know if this is considered benefit fraud 7th Feb 18 at 8:46 AM
    I have a non-British friend who's been living in the UK for 20+ years and claims income support, disability benefits, housing benefits and has even secured a permanent property (two floor house) from the local council.

    However, they also happen to have an offshore (Dubai) account with a balance of 200k+ euros which remains undeclared to the (British) authorities and earns no interest and the money wasn't earned inside the UK.

    Also, they've been using all that money (from their offshore account) to pay for some kind of media company because they (my friend) own and run a TV network in the UK but the network isn't based in the UK and doesn't even legally exist there, instead it's based in Dubai but airs from the UK through the internet (I'm not sure how they do it!).

    1 - Are they (my friend) committing benefit fraud by claiming all these benefits when they have an offshore account with hundreds of euros in it?

    2 - On a side note is airing from the UK when your media company/network is based somewhere else a crime? Again sorry if this is irreverent to money and benefits but it's related to everything else my friend is doing.

    2 - If so, what's gonna happen if the authorities find out? What are the charges? Also who do I contact if I want to report them?
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    • kingfisherblue
    • By kingfisherblue 7th Feb 18, 8:55 AM
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    I have a non-British friend who's been living in the UK for 20+ years and claims income support, disability benefits, housing benefits and has even secured a permanent property (two floor house) from the local council.

    However, they also happen to have an offshore (Dubai) account with a balance of 200k+ euros which remains undeclared to the (British) authorities and earns no interest and the money wasn't earned inside the UK.

    Also, they've been using all that money (from their offshore account) to pay for some kind of media company because they (my friend) own and run a TV network in the UK but the network isn't based in the UK and doesn't even legally exist there, instead it's based in Dubai but airs from the UK through the internet (I'm not sure how they do it!).

    1 - Are they (my friend) committing benefit fraud by claiming all these benefits when they have an offshore account with hundreds of euros in it?

    2 - On a side note is airing from the UK when your media company/network is based somewhere else a crime? Again sorry if this is irreverent to money and benefits but it's related to everything else my friend is doing.

    2 - If so, what's gonna happen if the authorities find out? What are the charges? Also who do I contact if I want to report them?
    Originally posted by John Pots
    When first claiming income related benefits, you are asked about any accounts that you have. Having such a large amount would automatically exclude him from being able to claim most benefits (DLA/PIP are not means tested, and having a council house is not relevant as this is not based on income).

    Any changes must also be reported, so if the money has been acquired since he first claimed, he should have informed the relevant departments.

    Also, I am not sure from your post why he would be entitled to income support, as this is usually paid to carers with no other household income (apart from Carer's Allowance) or single parents with a child under five. I believe that many years ago, IS was paid to some people with disabilities, but as far as I am aware, this stopped many years ago and claimants were transferred to other benefits.

    Are you sure that you ahve your facts right? How do you know so much about whta your friend is claiming?
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 7th Feb 18, 8:58 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 8:58 AM
    I have a non-British friend who's been living in the UK for 20+ years and claims income support, disability benefits, housing benefits and has even secured a permanent property (two floor house) from the local council.

    However, they also happen to have an offshore (Dubai) account with a balance of 200k+ euros which remains undeclared to the (British) authorities and earns no interest and the money wasn't earned inside the UK.

    Also, they've been using all that money (from their offshore account) to pay for some kind of media company because they (my friend) own and run a TV network in the UK but the network isn't based in the UK and doesn't even legally exist there, instead it's based in Dubai but airs from the UK through the internet (I'm not sure how they do it!).

    1 - Are they (my friend) committing benefit fraud by claiming all these benefits when they have an offshore account with hundreds of euros in it?

    2 - On a side note is airing from the UK when your media company/network is based somewhere else a crime? Again sorry if this is irreverent to money and benefits but it's related to everything else my friend is doing.

    2 - If so, what's gonna happen if the authorities find out? What are the charges? Also who do I contact if I want to report them?
    Originally posted by John Pots
    Re the bit in bold - what do you think is the answer?
    • bspm
    • By bspm 7th Feb 18, 9:06 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 9:06 AM
    Let me think....you have a friend who has 200k in a bank account and are asking if they are committing fraud by claiming income related benefits....use your common sense for goodness sake and don't waste peoples time on a board that offers excellent advice to people who actually need it.
    • John Pots
    • By John Pots 7th Feb 18, 9:08 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 9:08 AM
    Sorry guys but I just wanted to be sure. Better "waste" forum time than the authorities' lol!

    I know about their financial stuff because I've seen the documents (lots of 'em anyway). They've had the offshore account since 2010.

    So am I to understand that non-means-tested benefits aren't affected when you have offshore accounts with a balance that high?
    • John Pots
    • By John Pots 7th Feb 18, 9:09 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 9:09 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 9:09 AM
    Well, maybe not income support but they're getting a lot of money because they're disabled. Sorry again if I'm being rather unspecific.
    • Prinzessilein
    • By Prinzessilein 7th Feb 18, 9:26 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 9:26 AM
    If I were the OP, I would do nothing!.....

    You clearly don't know exactly which benefits your 'friend' is on, so it is not really a good idea to report him.

    As for the disability benefits, it depends what he is on...PIP (Personal Independence Payments ....which is taking over from DLA - Disability Living Allowance) is the main disability benefit, and is non means-tested...you can be a millionaire and still claim this.
    • John Pots
    • By John Pots 7th Feb 18, 9:36 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 9:36 AM
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    PIP (Personal Independence Payments ....which is taking over from DLA - Disability Living Allowance) is the main disability benefit, and is non means-tested...you can be a millionaire and still claim this.
    Ah okay that was useful thanks.

    But what about my second question:

    2 - On a side note is airing from the UK when your media company/network is based somewhere else a crime? Again sorry if this is irreverent to money and benefits but it's related to everything else my friend is doing.
    I know it's not benefit/money related but I really need to know because, again, that's what the offshore account's for. Thanks a lot in advance and my sincere apologies for wasting your time.
    Last edited by John Pots; 07-02-2018 at 9:42 AM.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 7th Feb 18, 9:42 AM
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    • 7th Feb 18, 9:42 AM
    I have a non-British friend who's been living in the UK for 20+ years and claims income support, disability benefits, housing benefits and has even secured a permanent property (two floor house) from the local council.

    However, they also happen to have an offshore (Dubai) account with a balance of 200k+ euros which remains undeclared to the (British) authorities and earns no interest and the money wasn't earned inside the UK.

    Also, they've been using all that money (from their offshore account) to pay for some kind of media company because they (my friend) own and run a TV network in the UK but the network isn't based in the UK and doesn't even legally exist there, instead it's based in Dubai but airs from the UK through the internet (I'm not sure how they do it!).

    1 - Are they (my friend) committing benefit fraud by claiming all these benefits when they have an offshore account with hundreds of euros in it?

    2 - On a side note is airing from the UK when your media company/network is based somewhere else a crime? Again sorry if this is irreverent to money and benefits but it's related to everything else my friend is doing.

    2 - If so, what's gonna happen if the authorities find out? What are the charges? Also who do I contact if I want to report them?
    Originally posted by John Pots
    Short answer is - it certainly looks like it!
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 7th Feb 18, 9:43 AM
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    Sorry guys but I just wanted to be sure. Better "waste" forum time than the authorities' lol!

    I know about their financial stuff because I've seen the documents (lots of 'em anyway). They've had the offshore account since 2010.

    So am I to understand that non-means-tested benefits aren't affected when you have offshore accounts with a balance that high?
    Originally posted by John Pots
    This is the definition of means-tested benefits from a benefit-checker website:
    Means-tested benefits




    Some benefits are means-tested. In other words, the amount of income and capital you have can affect your eligibility. Means-tested benefits are available to people who can demonstrate that their income and capital are below a certain level. The means-tested benefits are;
    • Income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance
    • Income-related Employment and Support Allowance
    • Income Support
    • Pension Credit
    • Tax Credits (Child Tax Credit and Working Tax Credit)
    • Housing Benefit
    • Council Tax Support
    • Social Fund (Sure Start Maternity Grant, Funeral Payment,Cold Weather Payment)
    • Universal Credit

    Your means (income, savings and other capital) will be looked at to see if they are low enough for you to qualify.

    If your means are greater than your needs (the amount the government estimates you need to live on), the benefit is reduced or may not be paid at all, so the amount you are entitled to can vary from one person to another.

    You can get these benefits even if you have not paid enough national insurance contributions.
    https://www.turn2us.org.uk/jargon-buster/Means-tested-benefits
    Therefore 'non means-tested' benefits is the opposite.

    Well, maybe not income support but they're getting a lot of money because they're disabled. Sorry again if I'm being rather unspecific.
    Originally posted by John Pots
    Ha-Ha!
    Now we have a totally different kettle of fish!

    As you're reluctant to be more specific, perhaps you could do your own search as to whether the specific benefit your 'friend' is receiving is means-tested or not.
    • John Pots
    • By John Pots 7th Feb 18, 9:48 AM
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    Gotcha! Thanks.
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 7th Feb 18, 9:53 AM
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    Well, maybe not income support but they're getting a lot of money because they're disabled. Sorry again if I'm being rather unspecific.
    Originally posted by John Pots
    As for the disability benefits, it depends what he is on...PIP (Personal Independence Payments ....which is taking over from DLA - Disability Living Allowance) is the main disability benefit, and is non means-tested...you can be a millionaire and still claim this.
    Originally posted by Prinzessilein
    But it isn't a 'lot of money'.
    • John Pots
    • By John Pots 7th Feb 18, 10:23 AM
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    So far this is what I've come to understand from all of the responses: DLA + offshore accounts, fine. Permanent council home + offshore accounts, also fine. Since the two are non means-tested, you can claim them no matter how much you've got.

    What about using offshore accounts to fund a TV network that's broadcasting (24/7) from the UK (in fact, it's broadcasting from the council house I spoke about. Yes, the "friend" in question is using their council-given property as a studio of some sort!) but is in fact registered in another country (it doesn't legally exist in the UK)? Isn't that like evading taxes or some other kind of financial obligation that comes with airing/broadcasting from the UK?

    I know I sound stupid which is why I need help. Again thanks a lot guys!
    • PasturesNew
    • By PasturesNew 7th Feb 18, 10:25 AM
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    Yes.

    The punishment should be: the removal of his danglies should be broadcast live on his own TV network .... right before the company is auctioned off to recover the stolen benefits.

    The removed danglies can then be turned into tasteful ornaments for the person who dobbed the scrote in.

    • NYM
    • By NYM 7th Feb 18, 10:26 AM
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    I have a non-British friend who's been living in the UK for 20+ years and claims income support, disability benefits, housing benefits and has even secured a permanent property (two floor house) from the local council.

    However, they also happen to have an offshore (Dubai) account with a balance of 200k+ euros which remains undeclared to the (British) authorities and earns no interest and the money wasn't earned inside the UK.


    Originally posted by John Pots
    All savings, bank accounts, investments and property which they may have in this country and/or abroad must be declared. This is known as capital.

    Capital includes all money, investments, property or savings, which they or their partner may have. It includes all bank, building society and post office accounts, stocks and shares, cash and even money held by someone else on their behalf or owed to them.

    As for the 'TV broadcasting'...if they are earning income from their 'work', it needs to be declared.
    • Pollycat
    • By Pollycat 7th Feb 18, 10:34 AM
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    So far this is what I've come to understand from all of the responses: DLA + offshore accounts, fine. Permanent council home + offshore accounts, also fine. Since the two are non means-tested, you can claim them no matter how much you've got.

    What about using offshore accounts to fund a TV network that's broadcasting (24/7) from the UK (in fact, it's broadcasting from the council house I spoke about. Yes, the "friend" in question is using their council-given property as a studio of some sort!) but is in fact registered in another country (it doesn't legally exist in the UK)? Isn't that like evading taxes or some other kind of financial obligation that comes with airing/broadcasting from the UK?

    I know I sound stupid which is why I need help. Again thanks a lot guys!
    Originally posted by John Pots
    Living in a council house and paying full rent is fine.
    Housing benefit is means-tested - so it depends what you mean about the bit in bold being 'fine'.

    Just curious - what has your so-called-friend done to get you so riled up about his financial dealings?

    TBH, I think this thread has now taken a turn that puts it outside the boundaries of this specific board.
    • BorisThomson
    • By BorisThomson 7th Feb 18, 10:41 AM
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    https://www.gov.uk/national-benefit-fraud-hotline

    Send them a message. They'll be able to see if he's claiming means tested benefits or not and then decide whether to take action. You won't find out what they do, unless your friend tells you.

    If you suspected a friend of any other crime you wouldn't think twice of reporting them to the police. This is no different.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 7th Feb 18, 10:51 AM
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    Without more knowledge of the actual benefits being claimed it's impossible to answer the question. In basic terms, if the friend is claiming Income Related benefits with 200k in a bank anywhere they are almost certainly committing benefit fraud.
    As said in #17 above, if you suspect benefit fraud you can report it and should do.
    • John Pots
    • By John Pots 7th Feb 18, 11:25 AM
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    He doesn't pay for the council house he lives in. It's not rented. It was given to him by the council 6 years ago after living (with his family) in a temporary council home for 6 years.
    • borkid
    • By borkid 7th Feb 18, 11:40 AM
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    He doesn't pay for the council house he lives in. It's not rented. It was given to him by the council 6 years ago after living (with his family) in a temporary council home for 6 years.
    Originally posted by John Pots

    Do you mean HB covers the rent?
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