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    • louiemiro
    • By louiemiro 6th Feb 18, 11:09 PM
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    UKPCM PCN "Outside of Marked Bay"
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    • 6th Feb 18, 11:09 PM
    UKPCM PCN "Outside of Marked Bay" 6th Feb 18 at 11:09 PM
    Hello. I've scoured some, but not found any threads on this.
    in mid Jan got a UKCPM PCN stuck to car, in a carpark outside Halfords, Pavilion Retail Park, Brighton, BN2 3QA. This is a site with no overhead cameras as far as can be seen.

    Sadly, before leaving foolishly someone didn't read that the ticket was for parking "outside of a marked bay".
    That someone had looked at the ticket for a long time at home, realising that the times observed and times of issue were well within the allowed stay time, and concluded.... They've made a boo boo!
    Then "someone" saw that they weren't issuing for being over time, but for parking "outside of a marked bay". This flabbergasted all concerned as "someone" is usually a stickler for being IN a bay.
    The carpark was almost completely empty when car arrived (a sunday) and someone may not have been absolutely perfectly careful about exact position as someone usually is... but likely no more than a fraction of an inch here perhaps in an almost completely empty car park? Come on!?

    Later saw the reason for issue at home, and realised someone hadn't photos of the exact position of the car before someone had driven it away.

    Someone is Sure the car WAS in a bay, or if not, was only slightly out, AND there was (we have images for proof) a long and 18" wide strip of concrete "bandage" over one of the lines of the bay (which obscured the line). that someone is sure they parked in.

    Someone's (rarely attached) cycle rack could have been sticking out the back of the bay a bit they suppose, but cycle racks on cars? do people get tickets for those?

    Someone went in the Halfords on the Monday, they said they couldn't have the company recind the ticket, but they kindly checked their security (not parking) CCTV camera (A low level cam within which said car sadly juuust didn't feature in at the angle it was on their building ) to try to provide me with evidence (a print-out of a screenshot) of the driver's correct parking. They couldn't. They showed the best shot their cam could offer, and the car was just out of it's angle of view.

    So... The only evidence therefore of the car being, or not being, over any lines must be held by any hand held camera of this seemingly overzealous attendant IF he/she had one, held it, pointed it and used it.

    This evidence hasn't been presented yet (If it exists)
    Doth one ignore, or send an appeal? If so... does the someone write a letter... or use their appeals process?

    Sorry if this asks ALL the same questions as in other threads, someone is green and have no real experience fighting appeals.

    Thanks in advance. Happy to be shouted at and treated as a child. Go.
    Last edited by louiemiro; 07-02-2018 at 8:55 AM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 13th Apr 19, 9:50 PM
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    Its been signed GS! (who is this person!!!??)
    Normal for solicitor firms not to sign in person. Why do so many people not know this?
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
    • rachity
    • By rachity 14th Apr 19, 5:08 AM
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    3.10 A legal representative who signs a statement of truth must sign in his own name and not that of his firm or employer.

    https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part22/pd_part22
    CAVEAT LECTOR
    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 14th Apr 19, 8:43 AM
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    3.10 A legal representative who signs a statement of truth must sign in his own name and not that of his firm or employer.


    https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part22/pd_part22
    Originally posted by rachity

    I didn't see where the OP said they had received "a statement of truth"!
    • rachity
    • By rachity 14th Apr 19, 11:18 AM
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    I didn't see where the OP said they had received "a statement of truth"!
    Originally posted by fisherjim

    I'm not sure what you mean by this, fisherjim.
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    • fisherjim
    • By fisherjim 14th Apr 19, 1:31 PM
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    I'm not sure what you mean by this, fisherjim.
    Originally posted by rachity

    Well CM said they don't need a solicitor to sign their name on the document received:
    Normal for solicitor firms not to sign in person. Why do so many people not know this?
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad

    You intimated that wasn't correct and gave a link to something that wasn't in my view relevant.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th Apr 19, 1:38 PM
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    3.10 A legal representative who signs a statement of truth must sign in his own name and not that of his firm or employer.
    https://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/procedure-rules/civil/rules/part22/pd_part22
    Originally posted by rachity
    We know that. I quoted it only yesterday in a case about a claim form.

    This poster on the other hand, was talking about an ordinary letter.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
    • rachity
    • By rachity 15th Apr 19, 7:46 PM
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    Have submitted defence, and had it acknowledged by Court.

    UKCPM have now (via Gladstones) sent me their next letter telling me they intend to proceed with the claim, and enclosed a copy of their Directions Questionnaire "which will be filed with the court iopon their request"
    As predicted... they're saying they're requesting a non oral hearing, that they're not willing to go to mediation and offering me a chance to make any "genuine payment proposals"!!


    Its been signed GS! (who is this person!!!??)


    I have filed it and await the court's copy etc.

    Anything I should be thinking about?

    Many thanks all.
    Originally posted by louiemiro
    We know that. I quoted it only yesterday in a case about a claim form.

    This poster on the other hand, was talking about an ordinary letter.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad

    A bit ambiguous?
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 15th Apr 19, 7:54 PM
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    A bit ambiguous?
    Originally posted by rachity
    Mmmm


    All a bit worrying!!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 16th Apr 19, 2:02 PM
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    Yes indeed.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
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