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    • MSE Callum
    • By MSE Callum 6th Feb 18, 2:07 PM
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    MSE News: Just 80 of the UK's 8m+ smart meters...
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    • 6th Feb 18, 2:07 PM
    MSE News: Just 80 of the UK's 8m+ smart meters... 6th Feb 18 at 2:07 PM
    All but 80 of the millions of smart meters so far installed in the UK are still first-generation meters which are likely to lose their 'smart' functionality if you switch energy provider, new figures reveal...
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    'Just 80 of the UK's 8m+ smart meters guaranteed to stay smart if you switch'

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    • brewerdave
    • By brewerdave 6th Feb 18, 2:12 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 2:12 PM
    .....are we surprised ?? I think not
    • gsmlnx
    • By gsmlnx 6th Feb 18, 2:13 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 2:13 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 2:13 PM
    80!
    80 working SMETS2 smart meters out of 8 million installed.
    WTF.
    And Capita is being paid £350m per annum (that is last year's money and will rise every year) to manage this!

    Shakes head.
    • Gazza9999
    • By Gazza9999 6th Feb 18, 2:38 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 2:38 PM
    Oh dear no surprise. That is why i have never had a smart meter and never will.
    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 6th Feb 18, 2:54 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 2:54 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 2:54 PM
    I hope that the NAO is taking note of this for their ongoing cost review. The level of mismanagement shown, and poor decision-making demonstrated, by the various bodies involved in this project will become a model for future MBA students to study and analyse for years to come.
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 6th Feb 18, 3:54 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 3:54 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 3:54 PM
    Government backed shambles at our expense.
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    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 6th Feb 18, 4:20 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 4:20 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 4:20 PM
    I wish I believed in a parallel (and very, very far away) universe where these overpaid idiots have to pay for their own screw ups instead of always being bailed out by those who can least afford and certainly never asked for it.
    What is this life if, sweet wordsmith, we have no time to take the pith?
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    • House Martin
    • By House Martin 6th Feb 18, 4:46 PM
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    Only 80 ? are MSE trolling ? , but then over 60% at least never switch suppliers and never will.
    That makes it more like nearly 5 million have working smart meters doing a great job saving the suppliers money, and many BG happy customers have had these meters working smart for 10 years.
    British Gas who started fitting them many years before they needed to, jumped the gun on the slovenly foreign suppliers who only moved when they were forced to by OFGEM
    • Anthorn
    • By Anthorn 6th Feb 18, 5:32 PM
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    • 6th Feb 18, 5:32 PM
    Only 80 ? are MSE trolling ? , but then over 60% at least never switch suppliers and never will.
    That makes it more like nearly 5 million have working smart meters doing a great job saving the suppliers money, and many BG happy customers have had these meters working smart for 10 years.
    British Gas who started fitting them many years before they needed to, jumped the gun on the slovenly foreign suppliers who only moved when they were forced to by OFGEM
    Originally posted by House Martin
    Not all that happy BG customers if I'm not unique. My problem is that I moved into a property already served by BG prepayment smart meters which were remotely switched to credit mode when I switched supplier to Scottish Power. According to BG when we switch they set the meter to credit mode and then the new supplier will fir their own meter. Oh no they don't! If my understanding is correct once we get a smart meter we don't get another one. So I'm stuck with the British Gas prepayment smart meter which only BG can read and Scottish Power won't give me a new meter and I'm also stuck with submitting manual reads every month. Long time passing until I get a smart meter I think. What a shambles!
    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 6th Feb 18, 5:39 PM
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    Submitting manual reads every month is never a bad idea and precludes the need for smart meters, imho.
    What is this life if, sweet wordsmith, we have no time to take the pith?
    Every stew starts with the first onion.
    I took it upon myself to investigate a trifle; it had custard, jelly, soggy sponge things...
    • Carrot007
    • By Carrot007 6th Feb 18, 5:43 PM
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    Submitting manual reads every month is never a bad idea and precludes the need for smart meters, imho.
    Originally posted by Smodlet
    Indeed, but 99% or people will no do this. Hence the need for smart meters. Over half of which are likely upgradable to smets 2 if you stay with your current supplier long enough.
    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 6th Feb 18, 5:50 PM
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    Indeed, but 99% or people will no do this. Hence the need for smart meters. Over half of which are likely upgradable to smets 2 if you stay with your current supplier long enough.
    Originally posted by Carrot007

    Gee, guess I must be in the special 1% then, huh? If others cannot be bothered to take the slightest responsibility for themselves, their actions or their energy usage, it's their problem, not mine. I reserve the right to have nothing to do with so-called smart meters and fail to see why I should have to pay for them either directly or indirectly through increased tariff charges.
    What is this life if, sweet wordsmith, we have no time to take the pith?
    Every stew starts with the first onion.
    I took it upon myself to investigate a trifle; it had custard, jelly, soggy sponge things...
    • House Martin
    • By House Martin 6th Feb 18, 6:21 PM
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    Not all that happy BG customers if I'm not unique. My problem is that I moved into a property already served by BG prepayment smart meters which were remotely switched to credit mode when I switched supplier to Scottish Power. According to BG when we switch they set the meter to credit mode and then the new supplier will fir their own meter. Oh no they don't! If my understanding is correct once we get a smart meter we don't get another one. So I'm stuck with the British Gas prepayment smart meter which only BG can read and Scottish Power won't give me a new meter and I'm also stuck with submitting manual reads every month. Long time passing until I get a smart meter I think. What a shambles!
    Originally posted by Anthorn
    British Gas smart prepayment meters when in credit mode are just another "dumb " siemens E6 Landis and Gyr or Siemens meter
    .All suppliers will accept these meters in dumb mode.I work for BG and Scot Power, and their meters are fine with each other. Switch from Scot Power then if they are up to their dirty tricks again
    . They always were the worst supplier on meter exchanges charging over £200 a time to move from prepay to credit mode with dumb meters
    Ofgem stopped that sharp practice which condemned many to expensive and inconvenient prepay meters
    Suppliers who have chosen , for reasons of economy , Secure Liberty meters, will need to exchange these meters for use in smart prepayment mode.
    Eon, Ovo, Utilita , First Utility are suppliers who would need to exchange the meter, at their cost
    Last edited by House Martin; 06-02-2018 at 6:25 PM.
    • gadgetmind
    • By gadgetmind 6th Feb 18, 6:43 PM
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    Our SMETS1 meters have remained "smart" through two switches.

    The DCC (Capita) are now enrolling SMETS1 meters in various "cohorts" so that they can more easily remain smart as currently it's quite complex.

    Holdouts who for various reasons (usually ignorance) can be encouraged to upgrade their meters by having the best tariffs denied to them until they change their position.
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    • Smodlet
    • By Smodlet 6th Feb 18, 7:34 PM
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    When it is proved to me that it would be cheaper to have a smart meter which remains smart, I will consider having one. Until then...
    What is this life if, sweet wordsmith, we have no time to take the pith?
    Every stew starts with the first onion.
    I took it upon myself to investigate a trifle; it had custard, jelly, soggy sponge things...
    • brewerdave
    • By brewerdave 6th Feb 18, 9:27 PM
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    brewerdave
    Our SMETS1 meters have remained "smart" through two switches.

    The DCC (Capita) are now enrolling SMETS1 meters in various "cohorts" so that they can more easily remain smart as currently it's quite complex.

    Holdouts who for various reasons (usually ignorance) can be encouraged to upgrade their meters by having the best tariffs denied to them until they change their position.
    Originally posted by gadgetmind
    Can you provide evidence for your statement re SMETS1 "enrolment" by DCC ????
    • Anthorn
    • By Anthorn 6th Feb 18, 9:35 PM
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    British Gas smart prepayment meters when in credit mode are just another "dumb " siemens E6 Landis and Gyr or Siemens meter
    .All suppliers will accept these meters in dumb mode.I work for BG and Scot Power, and their meters are fine with each other. Switch from Scot Power then if they are up to their dirty tricks again
    . They always were the worst supplier on meter exchanges charging over £200 a time to move from prepay to credit mode with dumb meters
    Ofgem stopped that sharp practice which condemned many to expensive and inconvenient prepay meters
    Suppliers who have chosen , for reasons of economy , Secure Liberty meters, will need to exchange these meters for use in smart prepayment mode.
    Eon, Ovo, Utilita , First Utility are suppliers who would need to exchange the meter, at their cost
    Originally posted by House Martin
    I don't think I'll switch from Scottish Power just yet because I'm on the Super Saver December 2018 fixed tariff and that's £100 exit fee (£50 per fuel). Yes I know they work in dumb mode. As I posted I have to submit meter readings monthly. My point is that I want a smart meter but can't have one due to the BG smart prepayment meter set to credit mode already installed. It's a complete shambles.
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