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    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 25th Jan 18, 6:37 PM
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    Standing for election is a human right
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    • 25th Jan 18, 6:37 PM
    Standing for election is a human right 25th Jan 18 at 6:37 PM
    In the UK over 5.5 million people work in central and local Government. Many of those workers will be disqualified from standing for election. As a local authority worker for Leeds City Council, myself and all my 14,632 colleagues are disqualified from standing for election to our city council. Disqualifying almost 15,000 people from standing for election seems quite bizarre to me, not many people are interested in politics, the bigger the pool to choose from, the better. The turnout in my electoral ward in 2016, in Leeds was just under 31%, a sad reflection on how people feel about politics. In the English local elections of 2016, in some areas fewer than one in five eligible voters went to their local polling station to cast a vote, we have a broken system. But the Scottish system seems much better, the turnout in the 2012 Scottish local elections was 39.6%, and in 2017 local elections turnout was 46.9%


    In Scotland the rules were changed in 2005 so that an employee of a local authority could stand for election to that authority, and would only have to resign their employment if they were elected. The Electoral Commission carried out a report for the government in 2015, the report recommended that England should adopt the same qualifying rules for elections as Scotland, and local authority workers should be allowed to stand, but they would have to resign their job with the local authority if elected. The report has not been acted upon yet. The Conservative gave the DUP 1 billion so that they can get bills through Parliament, but very little few bills are being processed.


    "The Electoral Commission recommend that the law in England, Wales and Northern Ireland is changed to make a clear distinction between offices or employment which would prevent someone standing for election, and those which would prevent someone from holding office if elected"

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    • mgdavid
    • By mgdavid 9th Feb 18, 7:12 PM
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    .............
    Its a sledge hammer to crack a nut. There may be people within that 5 million that have influence and should not stand, I am not one of them.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    If you feel strongly about it, change your job.....
    The questions that get the best answers are the questions that give most detail....
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 9th Feb 18, 7:35 PM
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    If you feel strongly about it, change your job.....
    Originally posted by mgdavid
    Myself and 5 million other people could be faced with that situation, I may do that in a few years.
    In some elections, fewer than 20% vote, in my area it was 30% turnout; I believe there is a problem. More choice on the ballot paper would be a good thing.

    • martinsurrey
    • By martinsurrey 12th Feb 18, 12:23 PM
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    When the rules says "Your resignation will take immediate effect regardless of any notice period previously specified.", I do not think you will be sued if you are following the law of the land.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    That law ONLY applies to people who work for the local authority, not everyone else, for everyone else notice periods DO apply.

    And yes senior employees do get sued if they breach their contracts on notice periods.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 12th Feb 18, 12:32 PM
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    And yes senior employees do get sued if they breach their contracts on notice periods.
    Originally posted by martinsurrey
    As I have posted before, 'senior employees' may well be classed as working in politically sensitive posts, and will be disqualified from standing.

    • martinsurrey
    • By martinsurrey 12th Feb 18, 2:42 PM
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    As I have posted before, 'senior employees' may well be classed as working in politically sensitive posts, and will be disqualified from standing.
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    but EVERY employee of non LA posts will have to work their notice, or get a terrible reference if they need a job after serving/and or sued, you seem to want LA employees to be better off than everyone else.
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 12th Feb 18, 6:15 PM
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    but EVERY employee of non LA posts will have to work their notice, or get a terrible reference if they need a job after serving/and or sued, you seem to want LA employees to be better off than everyone else.
    Originally posted by martinsurrey
    Local Authorities are large employers, they should be able to manage without notice, those are the rules in Scotland, they will be aware that someone is standing for election.

    A local Authority worker will be getting less pay, because they cannot work their notice, is that fair, its a price worth paying. But very few want to do it.

    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 12th Feb 18, 6:42 PM
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    The "politically restricted posts" rule came about in London, where Labour Councillors in one area were employed as high ranking officers in neighbouring areas.

    It is over and above the rule that you cannot stand for election to the council which employs you.

    Personally, I think Local Government Officers should publicly display political neutrality. You are there to serve the elected administration. You may or may not agree with their objectives, but it is your job to carry them out. If you let your personal views get in the way then it is impeding your judgement.

    Carry on serving the community as an impartial Officer, or resign and stand for election
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 12th Feb 18, 8:51 PM
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    It is over and above the rule that you cannot stand for election to the council which employs you.

    I do not understand this.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    Personally, I think Local Government Officers should publicly display political neutrality.

    I drive a minibus, are you calling me an 'officer'? What difference would it make if I were display a political poster in my front door at home?
    I do of course, support my employer.

    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 8th Jul 18, 12:41 AM
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    If you feel strongly about it, change your job.....
    Originally posted by mgdavid

    I have a barrister who is willing to take on the case, for 1,000


    I will try to crowd fund some of that 1,000 but I may well have to fund some of it myself.
    I get less than the average wage, but I do feel strongly about this issue.


    How many people would stump up cash ?

    • ariarnia
    • By ariarnia 12th Jul 18, 12:37 AM
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    I have a barrister who is willing to take on the case, for 1,000

    I will try to crowd fund some of that 1,000 but I may well have to fund some of it myself.
    I get less than the average wage, but I do feel strongly about this issue.

    How many people would stump up cash ?
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    Why not ask everyone who is currently barred from standing but who would like to stand to chip in a quid and see how far that gets you?

    You can't be the only one... can you?
    Almost everything will work again if you unplug it for a few minutes, including you. Anne Lamott

    It's amazing how those with a can-do attitude and willingness to 'pitch in and work' get all the luck, isn't it?
    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 12th Jul 18, 8:17 AM
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    I have a barrister who is willing to take on the case, for 1,000


    I will try to crowd fund some of that 1,000 but I may well have to fund some of it myself.
    I get less than the average wage, but I do feel strongly about this issue.


    How many people would stump up cash ?
    Originally posted by sevenhills
    Seriously? Very few barristers get out of bed for that let alone take on a case, are you sure that is not purely to look at it?

    Rules barring people from standing are there for a very good reason. If you by some miracle get them to change the rules, what will happen about council meetings that are held during your working hours? Will you expect to be able to attend whilst still being paid by the council? Can you see the problem? There will almost certainly be council workers that work at the time meetings are held.
    Last edited by Enterprise 1701C; 12-07-2018 at 8:21 AM.
    What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare
    • NCC-1701
    • By NCC-1701 13th Jul 18, 11:18 AM
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    I thought the Monster Raving Loony Party was now history?
    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 13th Jul 18, 6:00 PM
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    Seriously? Very few barristers get out of bed for that let alone take on a case, are you sure that is not purely to look at it?

    Rules barring people from standing are there for a very good reason. If you by some miracle get them to change the rules, what will happen about council meetings that are held during your working hours? Will you expect to be able to attend whilst still being paid by the council? Can you see the problem? There will almost certainly be council workers that work at the time meetings are held.
    Originally posted by Enterprise 1701C

    Yes, its just the initial payment.


    The rules in Scotland allow public sector workers to stand for election, they must resign from their position with the council if elected.

    • sevenhills
    • By sevenhills 13th Jul 18, 6:02 PM
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    Why not ask everyone who is currently barred from standing but who would like to stand to chip in a quid and see how far that gets you?

    You can't be the only one... can you?
    Originally posted by ariarnia

    I could advertise my fundraising on Facebook, but I don't think they can target it quite so much, maybe just those with an interest in politics.

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