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    • chris11112
    • By chris11112 25th Jan 18, 1:42 PM
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    Parkwatch ticket not wholly parked in bay - shopping centre
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    • 25th Jan 18, 1:42 PM
    Parkwatch ticket not wholly parked in bay - shopping centre 25th Jan 18 at 1:42 PM
    before i start thanks for everyone on this forum helping people like myself didnt realise what a huge problem and scam this is

    someone i know was given a 'fine' by parkwatch on the 16th jan 18 (have not appealed yet)
    do they need to wait untill around day 25 and hope they dont receive a letter (windscreen 'fine' received only as of yet)

    when the day arises do they need to send it to them via post or can i just email them? does it matter?
    Last edited by chris11112; 25-01-2018 at 2:12 PM.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 25th Jan 18, 1:45 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 1:45 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 1:45 PM
    when the day arises do i need to send it to them via post or can i just email them? does it matter?
    What does it say on the windscreen ticket?

    This is my standard advice:

    Make sure the initial appeal is sent to the PPC by their deadline date, normally 28 days from the date on the NtK for a BPA Operator, (21 days for an IPC Operator, but no POPLA for IPC Operators), otherwise you can kiss goodbye to POPLA. If it!!!8217;s a windscreen ticket send around day 25/26 for a BPA operator or day 18/19 for an IPC operator.

    Also, equally important in the submission of the initial appeal, you follow precisely the method by which they require you to send the appeal. Preferably do it via their website appeal portal (if that!!!8217;s the method they require). But if it says by email, don!!!8217;t send it by post (or vice versa). If it asks for the keeper!!!8217;s name and full postal address - give it, don!!!8217;t provide an email address instead, or try to be clever with a M Mouse, Orlando, Florida!

    Be wary of any drop down box if the appeal is via a website appeal portal, that defaults to !!!8216;I am/was the driver!!!8217; - make sure that isn!!!8217;t showing when you press the !!!8216;Send!!!8217; button.
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 25-01-2018 at 1:49 PM.
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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 25th Jan 18, 1:45 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 1:45 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 1:45 PM
    @ OP:


    Throughout you are advised never to reveal who was driving


    You need to edit your post to remove details of who was driving


    No need to seek clarification of each step


    The newbies faq is bang up to date
    • chris11112
    • By chris11112 25th Jan 18, 2:16 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 2:16 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 2:16 PM
    amended

    yeah the back of the ticket says i have 28 days to appeal and i should email them

    so i will use the template provided around day 26 - then hopefully have the chance to appeal to POPLA

    so i will just give my name and details
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 25th Jan 18, 3:39 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 3:39 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 3:39 PM
    Should this get to court, it the overpatk was a small amount it is likely to be consider de minimus

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_minimis
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    • chris11112
    • By chris11112 25th Jan 18, 3:54 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 3:54 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 3:54 PM
    Hope it doesn!!!8217;t but yeah the company is parkwatch defence systems if anyone has some info that could be valuable
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 25th Jan 18, 4:49 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 4:49 PM
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    • 25th Jan 18, 4:49 PM
    Hope it doesn’t but yeah the company is parkwatch defence systems if anyone has some info that could be valuable
    Originally posted by chris11112
    The bmpa motoring charity website will tell you the likelihood of this PPC doing court.
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    • chris11112
    • By chris11112 27th Jan 18, 2:47 PM
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    • 27th Jan 18, 2:47 PM
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    • 27th Jan 18, 2:47 PM
    Can any just clarify for me these are the correct steps for a ticket on windscreen where you can log on and see the pictures on parkwatch website?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 27th Jan 18, 3:32 PM
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    • 27th Jan 18, 3:32 PM
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    • 27th Jan 18, 3:32 PM
    You may be out of luck if you are expecting people to repeat what they've already written.

    Re-read the third line of post #3.

    Everything you need to know has already been written - in the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread. Have you read that?
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 27th Jan 18, 3:33 PM
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    Yes, waiting till day 25/26 is stated as the right tactic, in the NEWBIES thread. Nothing different here. Umkomaas even repeated that advice in post #2, can't get much clearer.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • chris11112
    • By chris11112 27th Jan 18, 5:28 PM
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    Sorry guys!! Thanks for your replies also, it!!!8217;s because I!!!8217;m in panic mode, have never had to deal with the slippery serpent that is parkwatch
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 27th Jan 18, 5:49 PM
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    Nor have most of the newbies here; we know you need guidance so it's all in one place.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Lizabeth21
    • By Lizabeth21 27th Jan 18, 5:57 PM
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    So just a side point: was the car parked wholly within the bay or not? If not why not?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 27th Jan 18, 6:02 PM
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    So just a side point: was the car parked wholly within the bay or not? If not why not?
    Originally posted by Lizabeth21
    I will hazard a guess but the OP can put me right if not:

    Probably because other cars were parked at an angle, as highlighted in the Beavis case discussion where the Judges remarked that it would be unfair and punitive, if all cars were ticketed in a row.

    Drivers don't deliberately set out to park out of bay lines, unless they are to one side by a kerb, away from the bays completely, in order to load something or because they are disabled and need ample space (but the OP didn't mention either of those things, so I doubt this is what happened here).
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • chris11112
    • By chris11112 10th Feb 18, 11:15 PM
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    Hi guys it!!!8217;s the 26th day from the original ticket on 16 jan
    The person who I am helping (not myself) has sent the appeals email and didn!!!8217;t include name and adress (mistake?) used the email template on newbies thread.

    When Said person arrived the car next to him who had left conveniently by the time the picture was taken was parked at an angle so He had to which forced him out the bay. So In the picture it looks bad...

    Worried this was a waste of time now
    • chris11112
    • By chris11112 10th Feb 18, 11:21 PM
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    Apologies person did leave name at the bottom of the email

    Again, worried this was a waste of time as picture looks conveniently bad.

    Please can someone advise?

    Thanks for all help and advice thus far
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 10th Feb 18, 11:53 PM
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    So they send it again (the whole thing) with their name & postal address this time.

    Like the sticky thread instructs. OF COURSE they need the address, to stop the PPC going to the DVLA!

    Who cares about the picture! Winning is not about whether the contravention actually happened.

    I don't think you realise the point about 'no keeper liability' and the reason for appealing on day 26. It is explained in the sticky thread, the Q ''why wait till day 26?'' It's a tactic that works, IF the person actually gives their NAME AND ADDRESS.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 10-02-2018 at 11:57 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • chris11112
    • By chris11112 11th Feb 18, 12:40 AM
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    They have re sent
    God bless you coupon mad
    • chris11112
    • By chris11112 15th Feb 18, 1:34 PM
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    Hi coupon mad

    Have now received an email from parkwatch stating me ticket is still valid and I have to appeal to popla.

    My question is do I now wait until the 25-26th day to appeal? I have 28 days
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Feb 18, 2:55 PM
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    Actually you should wait and work on your POPLA appeal because you want to be past day 56 when it is submitted. We assume they have not sent a NTK, exactly falling into our trap?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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