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    • Nigel-YZ1
    • By Nigel-YZ1 13th Jan 18, 11:39 PM
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    Static Caravan Selling
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    • 13th Jan 18, 11:39 PM
    Static Caravan Selling 13th Jan 18 at 11:39 PM
    We've had a static caravan on a private site for 2 years. We can't spend enough time there to justify the cost so wish to sell up.

    The site rules were first handed round a few months ago, before that there were none. They give the site owner 10% of any caravan sale.
    We rang him and told him we wished to sell. He announced that the fee was now 10% + 1000 and that he had sole rights to sell if it remains on his site. When we challenged this new verbal condition he just replied 'It's my land'.
    We originally paid 5600 for the van, but the company we bought it from will now give us 1200. If we go that route there's a 300 disconnection fee to the site owner.

    The site owner hasn't been in touch about any sale yet, and we're expecting him to demand the 1800 site fees (which has to be paid on 1st March in full) if it doesn't sell quickly.

    We're expecting to walk away from this with nothing. And maybe even having to pay more to be rid of it. What was a paradise has turned into a chore.

    Do we have any rights here?
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    • gardner1
    • By gardner1 13th Jan 18, 11:54 PM
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    Most caravan sites take a cut of sale......caravans depreciate faster than cars
    • LABMAN
    • By LABMAN 14th Jan 18, 12:49 AM
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    • 14th Jan 18, 12:49 AM
    Oh the joys of static caravan ownership...up there with time-share IMHO and should be avoided.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 14th Jan 18, 1:00 AM
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    • 14th Jan 18, 1:00 AM
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    • 14th Jan 18, 1:00 AM
    If you have your original contract then read over it and see what it says.

    However, this might be of interest to you - the document itself has been withdrawn as OFT have been replaced by CMA - CMA only have a general guidance and not any industry specific guidance.

    But the legislation behind it is essentially still the same.

    Pay particular attention to 5.30 to 5.34 but give the rest of it a read over as other parts will be relevant also.
    Money doesn't solve poverty.....it creates it.
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 14th Jan 18, 9:01 AM
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    • 14th Jan 18, 9:01 AM
    Also
    http://www.nacoservices.com/static-caravan-advice/a-fair-pitch-licence-agreement-for-your-static-caravan
    Of course after all this is over you could place a well worded review on rip off report
    https://www.ripoffreport.com
    naming the site to warn others.
    Last edited by hollydays; 14-01-2018 at 9:06 AM.
    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 14th Jan 18, 9:35 AM
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    • 14th Jan 18, 9:35 AM
    The real question here is why your caravan has reduced in value from 5600 to 1200 in only 2 years? Did you pay far too much in the first place? Have you trashed it during your ownership? Or have you just accepted the first offer that was made without trying harder to get a decent price? If you were selling it for 5000 then the site fees would look less of a rip off.
    • gardner1
    • By gardner1 14th Jan 18, 10:57 AM
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    • 14th Jan 18, 10:57 AM
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    • 14th Jan 18, 10:57 AM
    The real question here is why your caravan has reduced in value from 5600 to 1200 in only 2 years? Did you pay far too much in the first place? Have you trashed it during your ownership? Or have you just accepted the first offer that was made without trying harder to get a decent price? If you were selling it for 5000 then the site fees would look less of a rip off.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    For 5600 it must have been quite a few years old......as I said previously these thing depreciate faster than cars,you never ever make your money back
    If you do own one you've got to use it most weeks of the season or rent it
    • hollydays
    • By hollydays 14th Jan 18, 11:07 AM
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    For 5600 it must have been quite a few years old......as I said previously these thing depreciate faster than cars,you never ever make your money back
    If you do own one you've got to use it most weeks of the season or rent it
    Originally posted by gardner1
    But as asked, they may have paid too much for it.
    • seashore22
    • By seashore22 14th Jan 18, 1:22 PM
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    • 14th Jan 18, 1:22 PM
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    • 14th Jan 18, 1:22 PM
    At that price it must be in a pretty terrible state.

    A small touring caravan in a reasonable condition and many years old would cost more than that.
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 14th Jan 18, 6:08 PM
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    The reason older statics are cheap is the problem of trying to find a site that will take them. The older they are, the more difficult to find a site. Yours is 2 years older so might have gone past the magical 10 (or 12 or 15) years old limit that site owners apply.

    I presume the company you bought from and the site owner are not the same, so ask the site owner what he would give you for the van. If it's more than 900 (1200 company offer, less 300 disconnection) it may be worth taking. If you try to sell it off site, you will have pay transportation charges (expensive) plus 300 disconnection fee plus find somewhere to store and then try finding a buyer!

    I'm sorry but you are in a lose-lose situation
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 14th Jan 18, 6:11 PM
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    A small touring caravan in a reasonable condition and many years old would cost more than that.
    Originally posted by seashore22
    Plenty of tourers, large and small on offer at less than 4K
    • seashore22
    • By seashore22 14th Jan 18, 7:27 PM
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    Plenty of tourers, large and small on offer at less than 4K
    Originally posted by lincroft1710

    Maybe, but I wouldn't expect great condition or a long life at that price. We've owned caravans for 20 years or more.

    In any case I was referring to the 1,200 that the op says they will get for this home. I know that's probably less than you would get on the open market, but even so that's cheap.
    Last edited by seashore22; 14-01-2018 at 7:29 PM.
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 14th Jan 18, 9:05 PM
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    In any case I was referring to the 1,200 that the op says they will get for this home. I know that's probably less than you would get on the open market, but even so that's cheap.
    Originally posted by seashore22
    As 5,600 was the figure mentioned in posts previous to yours, that is the figure I thought you were referring to.
    • C_Mababejive
    • By C_Mababejive 14th Jan 18, 9:18 PM
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    I do hope the OP manages to get the best outcome from this scenario.

    In the mean time ,let this be a warning to others who might read this thread.

    Static homes/ so called "lodges" etc,,any structure that is parasitic upon someone elses land is subject to charges/rents/leases.

    When it comes to mobile homes,,well they are often described as lodges/bungalows etc,,,and sold for a small fortunes but really, you are then at the mercy of the land owner who shears you annually for pitch fees,water,gas,electric,refuse etc. Just dont do it.
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
    • Nigel-YZ1
    • By Nigel-YZ1 14th Jan 18, 11:15 PM
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    Thanks for the replies.
    We'll certainly take a look at the document links.
    The site owner and original supplier are the best of friends. The site owner has said he can only pay us what the original supplier would give.

    The van was in pristine condition and 13 years old when we bought it. Hardly any wear and tear. We have spent a lot of time making sure it stayed that way, with new curtains, beds, plumbing etc.

    It has been wonderful to own. We viewed it as a long term investment towards our retirement, but we just couldn't justify the ground rent (which is increased this year) set against free time with one of us working monday to friday and the other on shifts.

    The price we were quoted was sight unseen, so just market value.

    The big shock to us on learning the valuation was the sudden verbal requirement by the site owner that he get an additional 1000 on top of his 10%. It's this that prompted this thread. If he sells at a low enough price we get nothing.
    • gardner1
    • By gardner1 14th Jan 18, 11:33 PM
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    Thanks for the replies.
    We'll certainly take a look at the document links.
    The site owner and original supplier are the best of friends. The site owner has said he can only pay us what the original supplier would give.

    The van was in pristine condition and 13 years old when we bought it. Hardly any wear and tear. We have spent a lot of time making sure it stayed that way, with new curtains, beds, plumbing etc.

    It has been wonderful to own. We viewed it as a long term investment towards our retirement, but we just couldn't justify the ground rent (which is increased this year) set against free time with one of us working monday to friday and the other on shifts.

    The price we were quoted was sight unseen, so just market value.

    The big shock to us on learning the valuation was the sudden verbal requirement by the site owner that he get an additional 1000 on top of his 10%. It's this that prompted this thread. If he sells at a low enough price we get nothing.
    Originally posted by Nigel-YZ1
    unfortunately its 13 years old which most site owners would consider to old
    • deannatrois
    • By deannatrois 15th Jan 18, 2:55 AM
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    I am afraid a number of wrong assumptions are being made.

    1) As has already been said, caravans are NEVER an investment, you never get more than you paid. Its not a house. It doesn't matter what you spent on it, once a caravan is more than 5 years old it is 'older' i.e. old fashioned and not worth much compared to what you paid. A new van will cost 16k (really cheap one). Did it not occur to you why you were only paying 5.6k? Once a caravan reaches a certain age, its virtually worthless and I'm afraid you bought it in that state, that is why it was so cheap.
    2) You are selling it to a caravan seller, who will (like a car sales person) offer you a really low price. It won't be anything like a fair price or anything like you would get on the open market. Your caravan, however you feel about it will be difficult to sell.
    3) I am afraid as has been said on here, site owners will often demand money to allow you to sell the caravan, and more money to allow you to take it off site. Its just the way it goes.
    4) Presumably you had some wonderful holidays either whenever you wanted or some more limited holidays and rented the caravan out, but had some income to pay the site fees. BUT you were paying for holidays. I know I spent 900 pounds last year for a week on a really quiet yukky site. Just a week! I am sure you have had more than that for less money (when averaged out on days away). You haven't lost out in the way you think. I realise you have only had the caravan for 2 years, but if you had kept it longer, it would have been more worthwhile if you purchased it just for private holidays. Bearing in mind the cost of a week's hire of a caravan (and that was a cheap site but in the summer holidays), perhaps site fees don't seem so bad.

    I nearly bought a caravan some years ago. It was second hand and rather more expensive than yours, but a slightly older van that the site would refuse to rent out within a couple of years (so we would have to rent privately to get any income). But on reading the contract and researching the difficulties renting an older caravan out, hard though it was, we walked away.

    The only thing I can suggest is having it taken off site, put into storage (there are some cheaper places around) and then trying to sell it to a private buyer. You will get a lot more money.
    Last edited by deannatrois; 15-01-2018 at 3:04 AM.
    • C_Mababejive
    • By C_Mababejive 15th Jan 18, 10:04 AM
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    There is a conspiracy between site owners and static home manufacturers so that they can all make money. Try and buy a static home or so called "lodge" directly from manufacturers? Sorry,no can do. They almost always only sell via site owners so that they can all get a nice big rake off.
    Feudal Britain needs land reform. 70% of the land is "owned" by 1 % of the population and at least 50% is unregistered (inherited by landed gentry). Thats why your slave box costs so much..
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 15th Jan 18, 3:02 PM
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    unfortunately its 13 years old which most site owners would consider to old
    Originally posted by gardner1
    It is now 15 yrs old, it was 13 yrs old when the OP bought it.
    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 15th Jan 18, 3:16 PM
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    The only thing I can suggest is having it taken off site, put into storage (there are some cheaper places around) and then trying to sell it to a private buyer. You will get a lot more money.
    Originally posted by deannatrois
    But as I said in an earlier post

    "If you try to sell it off site, you will have pay transportation charges (expensive) plus 300 disconnection fee plus find somewhere to store and then try finding a buyer!"

    This only has a chance of working if OP has opportunity of very cheap storage. There are plenty of 15 yr old statics on sites which site owners are selling off site cheaply, so plenty of competition. Without a site to offer, the only people who would be interested would be self builders or construction workers looking for cheap temporary accom and would have somewhere to site it. Or people with large garden who want extra bedroom/studio/playroom etc
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