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    • Scottlencross
    • By Scottlencross 12th Jan 18, 3:35 PM
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    PIP Backdated seems too little
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    • 12th Jan 18, 3:35 PM
    PIP Backdated seems too little 12th Jan 18 at 3:35 PM
    Hi all, im writing this on behalf of my father.

    For the past year hes been waiting for a claim to go through to get him back onto the PIP program, get his payments started back up, and get some backpay to assist him/ give him what hes really owed.

    For some backstory to this, he missed an appointment, and they kicked him off the program, we never received a letter telling us this and even if we did he would not have been able to make it as he was in the hospital recovering from a heart attack.

    But anyway, a years passed, we got the tribunal won, the backdate was to December 2016 through to September 2017, which i find weird as we didnt actually win the claim til January this year.

    Hes received the back-pay, 3,640 but we feel that while this is a big help, this is too low of an amount going off what he was payed in the past and were curious on how we go about challenging this or just generally getting the right amount.

    Oh i should also state that while we think his monthly/ fortnightly money has been reinstated, we are unsure, can you please advise us on how we can check this?

    Any advice you can give is helpful, thank you.
    Last edited by Scottlencross; 12-01-2018 at 4:03 PM.
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    • pmlindyloo
    • By pmlindyloo 12th Jan 18, 3:41 PM
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    We need some dates to give the correct information.

    So when was his PIP claim stopped?

    He went to a tribunal and it was reinstated? At what rates? Is he still receiving PIP?
    • Scottlencross
    • By Scottlencross 12th Jan 18, 4:03 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 4:03 PM
    The backdate is from the 26th of december 2016 to the 1st of september 2017, as far as we know its been put back to his past rates which hes positive was around 450-500 monthly, now he is back on it but we arent sure if they are reinstating it instantly on the 15th or it might be a later date.

    Hes trying to get through to the reference number on the letter they sent out to gain more details.

    On the letter itself all we know is that the points he needed to get, hes gotten 12 for the first set, and 8 for the mobility one.

    The actual backdated pay is 3,640, should have put that into the top post sorry ill edit it into there.

    In the past he also had more fortnightly money, which is where the issue comes into it, about 500 x 8 is the right amount, it just feels like the fortnightly money is not added into his backdate like it should be
    Last edited by Scottlencross; 12-01-2018 at 4:05 PM. Reason: extra info
    • Prinzessilein
    • By Prinzessilein 12th Jan 18, 4:20 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 4:20 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 4:20 PM
    Was your father in hospital or a residential care home for part /all of the time you are disputing?

    The care component of PiP may not have been paid if this was the case.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 12th Jan 18, 4:38 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 4:38 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 4:38 PM
    As far as I know, PIP is always paid four weekly, not fortnightly. Are you talking about two benefits - PIP and ESA? I'm not sure where a fortnightly payment comes into it otherwise.

    12 points daily living gets enhanced daily living, and 8 points mobility should get standard mobility, so that should be around 420 every four weeks. The backpay works out at around eight and a half months, which sounds right for the dates you've given.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
    • Scottlencross
    • By Scottlencross 12th Jan 18, 5:07 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 5:07 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 5:07 PM
    Was your father in hospital or a residential care home for part /all of the time you are disputing?

    The care component of PiP may not have been paid if this was the case.
    Originally posted by Prinzessilein
    He was in october 2016 and i believe a short stay in november 2016, but not in 2017 no, so this shouldnt have been affected.
    • Scottlencross
    • By Scottlencross 12th Jan 18, 5:09 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 5:09 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 5:09 PM
    As far as I know, PIP is always paid four weekly, not fortnightly. Are you talking about two benefits - PIP and ESA? I'm not sure where a fortnightly payment comes into it otherwise.

    12 points daily living gets enhanced daily living, and 8 points mobility should get standard mobility, so that should be around 420 every four weeks. The backpay works out at around eight and a half months, which sounds right for the dates you've given.
    Originally posted by Ames
    Yeah sorry my wording is making this awkward to make out i guess, but yes, PIP is the one hes been awarded, and we had assumed that the second payment, the fortnightly one would have been paid alongside that, but i guess thats a seperate claiming process. Read through the letter again and again and again, and this makes the most sense, thanks for pointing this out i guess we just blanked over it.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 12th Jan 18, 5:17 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 5:17 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 5:17 PM
    PIP rates - Enhanced DL c.83
    - Standard Mob c.22

    Total 105 pw.

    26 Dec - 1 Sept
    Aprox 35 weeks

    35 weeks @ 105 = 3,675. (give or take a few days).

    Why do you think it is wrong?


    It would help if you answered Pmlindyloo's question:
    When was his PIP claim stopped ?
    When was the tribunal date?


    But as Ames says, it looks correct.

    Re:
    Oh i should also state that while we think his monthly/ fortnightly money has been reinstated, we are unsure, can you please advise us on how we can check this?

    Surely you can see this from his bank statements?
    PIP is paid 4 weekly - at the current rate it will be 433
    There will be a DWP reference against this amount.
    Last edited by Alice Holt; 12-01-2018 at 5:19 PM.
    • Scottlencross
    • By Scottlencross 12th Jan 18, 5:38 PM
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    • 12th Jan 18, 5:38 PM
    OK, i asked my father for more information on the matter here;

    PIP claim stopped in october 2016, we are unsure of the specific date exactly.

    tribunal was January 3rd

    As i said in my other comment however, it does seem correct for just the monthly sum, not including the fortnightly money which he was applied to which we will need to look into specifically, i guess our math was just wrong or something was missed, thank you for your help either way

    the "surely you can see this from his bank statement" comment, not right now, his standard payday was this past wednesday, until it comes back around we arent sure, but hes in the midst of checking that out for himself, trying to get through to a contact line.
    • Ames
    • By Ames 12th Jan 18, 6:27 PM
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    PIP rates - Enhanced DL c.83
    - Standard Mob c.22

    Total 105 pw.

    26 Dec - 1 Sept
    Aprox 35 weeks

    35 weeks @ 105 = 3,675. (give or take a few days).

    Why do you think it is wrong?


    It would help if you answered Pmlindyloo's question:
    When was his PIP claim stopped ?
    When was the tribunal date?


    But as Ames says, it looks correct.

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    Oh i should also state that while we think his monthly/ fortnightly money has been reinstated, we are unsure, can you please advise us on how we can check this?

    Surely you can see this from his bank statements?
    PIP is paid 4 weekly - at the current rate it will be 433
    There will be a DWP reference against this amount.
    Originally posted by Alice Holt
    (83+22)*4= 420 every four weeks.

    OK, i asked my father for more information on the matter here;

    PIP claim stopped in october 2016, we are unsure of the specific date exactly.

    tribunal was January 3rd

    As i said in my other comment however, it does seem correct for just the monthly sum, not including the fortnightly money which he was applied to which we will need to look into specifically, i guess our math was just wrong or something was missed, thank you for your help either way

    the "surely you can see this from his bank statement" comment, not right now, his standard payday was this past wednesday, until it comes back around we arent sure, but hes in the midst of checking that out for himself, trying to get through to a contact line.
    Originally posted by Scottlencross
    I think the fortnightly payment you're talking about is ESA, which is a completely different benefit. It has a different application process and looks at different things. PIP is for care needs and help with mobility, ESA is about whether or not you can work.

    If the ESA has stopped too then you need to find out why and sort that out. It wouldn't have stopped because of the PIP. It also won't restart because of the PIP tribunal.

    Unless - was he on PIP originally or was all of this because of being moved from DLA? I wonder - and Alice or another expert will have to answer this - if he was still on IB with an automatic entitlement due to a DLA award. That's the only circumstance I can think of where having to appeal PIP would also stop a 'fortnightly payment'. I thought everybody had been moved over to ESA by now though.
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    • Ames
    • By Ames 12th Jan 18, 6:29 PM
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    OK, i asked my father for more information on the matter here;

    PIP claim stopped in october 2016, we are unsure of the specific date exactly.

    tribunal was January 3rd

    As i said in my other comment however, it does seem correct for just the monthly sum, not including the fortnightly money which he was applied to which we will need to look into specifically, i guess our math was just wrong or something was missed, thank you for your help either way

    the "surely you can see this from his bank statement" comment, not right now, his standard payday was this past wednesday, until it comes back around we arent sure, but hes in the midst of checking that out for himself, trying to get through to a contact line.
    Originally posted by Scottlencross
    If you can look at one of his bank statements from when he was getting the fortnightly payments it would be helpful. It will have a reference next to it, part of that will be his national insurance number, it'll also have DWP, and then some other letters. If you could tell us those other letters it will help us figure out what's happened.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
    • Alice Holt
    • By Alice Holt 12th Jan 18, 7:44 PM
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    Hmm.

    I'm now puzzled.
    Normally the backdate covers the period from the DWP decision date to stop payments until the date of the tribunal (i.e when the tribunal decided that that DWP decision was incorrect).
    The tribunal Decison Notice will provide both these dates.
    So in your father's case this would be Oct '16 to 3rd Jan '18 (excluding any periods in hospital when your father became ineligible to receive PIP).

    However, the DWP can take several weeks to re-instate PIP payments after the tribunal hearing.

    So you may receive:
    1) A payment for the period Oct '16 to Jan 3 '17
    2) Ongoing 4 weekly payments (Given the tribunal was so recent, I wouldn't expect these to start until early / mid Feb)
    3) A small lump sum payment covering the period between the date PIP was reinstated (Jan 3rd) and the date DWP actually manage to process the ongoing payments.

    Your father may want to ring / write to the DWP asking them for breakdown of the payment, and why it doesn't appear to match the expected Oct '16 to 3 Jan '18 period.
    • Hoogle
    • By Hoogle 12th Jan 18, 7:53 PM
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    I do not know living arrangements, but fortnightly pay is probably ESA and if living alone etc can also be topped up with a severe disability allowance.

    My FOrtnightly ESA with premiums is 374
    and then enhanced daily living and standard mobility 4 weekly paid pip of 420
    total 1168 every 4 weeks
    • Scottlencross
    • By Scottlencross 12th Jan 18, 8:03 PM
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    Hmm.

    I'm now puzzled.
    Normally the backdate covers the period from the DWP decision date to stop payments until the date of the tribunal (i.e when the tribunal decided that that DWP decision was incorrect).
    The tribunal Decison Notice will provide both these dates.
    So in your father's case this would be Oct '16 to 3rd Jan '18 (excluding any periods in hospital when your father became ineligible to receive PIP).

    However, the DWP can take several weeks to re-instate PIP payments after the tribunal hearing.

    So you may receive:
    1) A payment for the period Oct '16 to Jan 3 '17
    2) Ongoing 4 weekly payments (Given the tribunal was so recent, I wouldn't expect these to start until early / mid Feb)
    3) A small lump sum payment covering the period between the date PIP was reinstated (Jan 3rd) and the date DWP actually manage to process the ongoing payments.

    Your father may want to ring / write to the DWP asking them for breakdown of the payment, and why it doesn't appear to match the expected Oct '16 to 3 Jan '18 period.
    Originally posted by Alice Holt
    Yeah we wanted to ring today but the systems are on the fritz on their end, gonna ring up monday and ask A) Breakdown on what were getting & when to expect payments to resume, & B) how we go about getting, what we assume is, the ESA reinstated (the fortnightly one).

    Until then, i dont think i can actually do anything as we dont have enough information on the matter at our end. Thanks for the help though.
    • ct6464
    • By ct6464 13th Jan 18, 4:06 PM
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    Same Here!
    Hi Everybody, I hope the following information helps. It reads like a mirror experience of mine following my recent PIP tribunal (though I know absolutely nothing about ESA).

    I was awarded immediate re-instatement of original PIP claim, via tribunal last week, from January 2017 when DWP stopped payment (based on ATOS assessment), until October 2017 when my original claim was due for reassessment. DWP offered no defence as to why they had requested a health review and why my original claim was superceeded.

    However, because PIP wasn't in payment in October, I was denied the opportunity to reapply. Hence I was advised to submit an immediate new claim for PIP, with the judges recommendation (should I recieve an award) it should be backdated to October 2017.

    So basically you will only receive monies up to the period when the original claim would have expired. A new claim should be submitted immediately with request for a backdated decision.

    Other than the backdated payment of PIP and missing premiums, there will be no change in regular income unless a reclaim is submitted and awarded.

    The question is - do any of us that have recently won tribunal hearing really feel up to making a fresh claim??
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