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    • inglorius
    • By inglorius 11th Jan 18, 4:03 PM
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    Work colleague block booking desired holiday dates
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    • 11th Jan 18, 4:03 PM
    Work colleague block booking desired holiday dates 11th Jan 18 at 4:03 PM
    My current Áompany have a local rule that no 2 managers can be on leave at the save time, my co manager has been with the business about 6 months and we are asked to book holidays around each other.

    The annual holiday planner went up in the office this week, during a casual conversation with my colleague today they mentioned that they had booked off all of the bank holiday weeks from Easter though to August for the year. I casually asked them where are they going for these dates and they said that they hadn't anything arranged but would look at this in the future. I then replied that they therefore effectively had reserved all of the prime holiday dates off for the year without having any plans for any of these dates and found this extremely selfish.

    I subsequently complained to my line managers boss about this behaviour and the fact that they had condoned it but they did not offer any support to resolve this situation. I was looking for thoughts please, I have no issue with the company holiday policy but the distinction between booking a holiday and block reserving all of the years prime holiday dates.
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    • demiruss
    • By demiruss 11th Jan 18, 5:06 PM
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    If you snooze, you lose Have you got anything planned for these bank holiday dates yourself? If it was me I would just ask them next week if they'd consider alternating them, which is reasonable. If they refused, I'd remember the next time they asked for a favour.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 11th Jan 18, 5:13 PM
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    Personal opinion is that a 'first come, first served' system stinks. However, if that's the way the company wants to run its holiday allocation system there is nothing you can do about it.
    • inglorius
    • By inglorius 11th Jan 18, 5:17 PM
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    Personal opinion is that a 'first come, first served' system stinks. However, if that's the way the company wants to run its holiday allocation system there is nothing you can do about it.
    Originally posted by TELLIT01
    Agreed I'm more bothered with my colleagues as long as I'm alright attitude then the booking system itself.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 11th Jan 18, 5:43 PM
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    It's not too long ago that your colleagues were complaining about your attitude towards others, and now you are complaining about someone else's? As others have said, your manager will either allow it as being within policy and acceptable to them, or not. If the former happens it's tough luck. You know what to do next year. But ranting or accusing them of selfish or inappropriate behavior hardly changes anything. Nor does having a go at them. If you are lucky they haven't already complained to the manager about the way you spoke to them. If not you just potentially handed management another concern about your behaviour, not theirs.
    • happyandcontented
    • By happyandcontented 11th Jan 18, 5:50 PM
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    My current Áompany have a local rule that no 2 managers can be on leave at the save time, my co manager has been with the business about 6 months and we are asked to book holidays around each other.

    The annual holiday planner went up in the office this week, during a casual conversation with my colleague today they mentioned that they had booked off all of the bank holiday weeks from Easter though to August for the year. I casually asked them where are they going for these dates and they said that they hadn't anything arranged but would look at this in the future. I then replied that they therefore effectively had reserved all of the prime holiday dates off for the year without having any plans for any of these dates and found this extremely selfish.

    I subsequently complained to my line managers boss about this behaviour and the fact that they had condoned it but they did not offer any support to resolve this situation. I was looking for thoughts please, I have no issue with the company holiday policy but the distinction between booking a holiday and block reserving all of the years prime holiday dates.
    Originally posted by inglorius
    So when you acquired this colleague who you have to work with to ensure you are not off at the same time did you have a conversation with them about it? In your shoes I would have had one.

    I might have missed it if you have answered but is it a "first come, first served" policy? If it is, then, unfortunately, you have lost out due to inaction.

    I was listening to a radio prog the other day and they were outlining how you could stretch out your holiday entitlement using the BH method so it goes on in a lot of workplaces I suspect.
    • inglorius
    • By inglorius 11th Jan 18, 6:24 PM
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    So when you acquired this colleague who you have to work with to ensure you are not off at the same time did you have a conversation with them about it? In your shoes I would have had one.

    I might have missed it if you have answered but is it a "first come, first served" policy? If it is, then, unfortunately, you have lost out due to inaction.

    I was listening to a radio prog the other day and they were outlining how you could stretch out your holiday entitlement using the BH method so it goes on in a lot of workplaces I suspect.
    Originally posted by happyandcontented
    How would you consider the action of block booking all the choice holiday date's for the entirety of the year without having a discussion first I know my opinion but am after other people's opinions.
    • Ms Chocaholic
    • By Ms Chocaholic 11th Jan 18, 6:29 PM
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    What leave dates did you take last year? Any of the BH weeks?
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    • inglorius
    • By inglorius 11th Jan 18, 6:35 PM
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    What leave dates did you take last year? Any of the BH weeks?
    Originally posted by Ms Chocaholic
    I took one Bank Holiday week at Easter the person in question took August Bank Holiday.
    • Cheeky_Monkey
    • By Cheeky_Monkey 11th Jan 18, 6:38 PM
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    Bank holidays are included in statutory.


    Remember your manager could turn around and tell you that you must use your annual leave on specific, non consecutive, days.
    Originally posted by Comms69
    Ooops! No, they're not. Statutory annual leave is 20 days with the 8 bank holidays added on top
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    • inglorius
    • By inglorius 11th Jan 18, 6:57 PM
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    If you snooze, you lose Have you got anything planned for these bank holiday dates yourself? If it was me I would just ask them next week if they'd consider alternating them, which is reasonable. If they refused, I'd remember the next time they asked for a favour.
    Originally posted by demiruss
    Good idea. If they had booked a couple of Bank Holidays off then fine but to book the whole lot off then tell me afterwards seems a bit underhand. What I found most disapointing was that when I mentioned that this behaviour appears self serving they were totally non plussed.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 11th Jan 18, 7:16 PM
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    Ooops! No, they're not. Statutory annual leave is 20 days with the 8 bank holidays added on top
    Originally posted by Cheeky_Monkey

    Stat annual leave is 5.6 weeks.

    In the OPs case that includes bank holidays. I get 35 days so my bank holidays are almost a bonus
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 11th Jan 18, 7:17 PM
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    Good idea. If they had booked a couple of Bank Holidays off then fine but to book the whole lot off then tell me afterwards seems a bit underhand. What I found most disapointing was that when I mentioned that this behaviour appears self serving they were totally non plussed.
    Originally posted by inglorius
    Thatís up to them though - itís not illegal to be selfish
    • inglorius
    • By inglorius 11th Jan 18, 7:30 PM
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    Thatís up to them though - itís not illegal to be selfish
    Originally posted by Comms69
    Agreed but it hardly demonstrates your ability to be a team player and engender cross functional relationships which is key to the job we're undertaking.
    • RADDERS
    • By RADDERS 11th Jan 18, 7:43 PM
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    The other way to think about it is, bank holiday times for holidays normally cost a premium. So they may have booked the prime dates but a holiday will cost them a lot more.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 11th Jan 18, 7:49 PM
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    Agreed but it hardly demonstrates your ability to be a team player and engender cross functional relationships which is key to the job we're undertaking.
    Originally posted by inglorius
    You didn't think that was so important when people were complaining about you though? You didn't think it was fair for people to complain about your alleged inappropriate behavior, or for your manager to raise it with you. You just can't have it both ways.
    • inglorius
    • By inglorius 11th Jan 18, 7:56 PM
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    You didn't think that was so important when people were complaining about you though? You didn't think it was fair for people to complain about your alleged inappropriate behavior, or for your manager to raise it with you. You just can't have it both ways.
    Originally posted by sangie595
    Please can you confine yourself to the original question and not go off topic if you are going to reply.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 11th Jan 18, 8:09 PM
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    Please can you confine yourself to the original question and not go off topic if you are going to reply.
    Originally posted by inglorius
    It is not off topic. You also don't decide who replies. Complaining about a colleague, accusing them of inappropriate behaviour, and having a go at them in person (which you say you did) is very relevant given the fact that you have recently had words with your manager about your behaviour with colleagues. If you think something is unfair then by all means speak to your manager about whether they agree, or whether it is within policy. An employer can decline holiday requests. But taking it this personally and having an ill advised go at your colleague about what you consider their selfishness is very relevant if you have a history of similar. And I also recall alter egos on this site for you too.

    You may not like the advice, but it is very real and sincere. And very definitely on topic if you have a recent history of being warned about your behaviour with colleagues.
    • Savvy_Sue
    • By Savvy_Sue 11th Jan 18, 11:42 PM
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    Seems very straightforward to me. If you actually WANT to take leave around any of the bank holidays, ask if your colleague would be prepared to work around this.

    If you don't, enjoy your cheaper holidays at other times of the year.
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    • Diamandis
    • By Diamandis 11th Jan 18, 11:50 PM
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    It's amazing that someone in a managerial position can't sort something like this out by themself. If you don't have any plans then just make plans for a different week and move on with your life.

    I'd be laughed at if I went to my senior management with a trivial issue like this.
    • inglorius
    • By inglorius 12th Jan 18, 5:20 AM
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    Seems very straightforward to me. If you actually WANT to take leave around any of the bank holidays, ask if your colleague would be prepared to work around this.

    If you don't, enjoy your cheaper holidays at other times of the year.
    Originally posted by Savvy_Sue
    I know what I'll be doing next year when the holiday planner goes up in January....I'm used to working in companies where there are desirable holiday periods and colleagues agree between themselves a rota every year so that each year a different person gets Xmas off etc. my colleague obviously isn't and sees it as a suit yourself first forget about everyone else after.
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