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    • melita
    • By melita 10th Jan 18, 4:07 PM
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    Severn Trent Amey duped me into a meter upgrade
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    Severn Trent Amey duped me into a meter upgrade 10th Jan 18 at 4:07 PM
    We have been resisting the march of the smart meter. We had a water meter installed some years ago (in the house) with a remote external reading point. ST have been trying to get us to upgrade our meter to a smart meter but without success. I was about to go out earlier today when there was a knock at the door from an Amey engineer to replace the battery in our meter - it would only take 10 minutes. As he was finishing the work I noticed our old meter in his toolbox and that a new one had been installed (Aquadis+ with Everblu Cyble enhanced). I challenged him and said that this was not a battery change but a smart meter and that I didn't want wifi in the house. He told me that it was a mechanical meter, not smart and no wifi. I foolishly believed him. Subsequent online investigations seem to imply that it is indeed a smart meter and potentially sends daily readings wirelessly (isn't this wifi?). Can we get this meter removed now or are we stuck with it?

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    • Swipe
    • By Swipe 10th Jan 18, 9:55 PM
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    I believe the data is sent via a mobile data sim
    • anna42hmr
    • By anna42hmr 10th Jan 18, 10:13 PM
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    According to this http://www.moneyguideireland.com/irish-water-meters-are-they-dangerous.html the data is sent via radio waves, to a meter if held nearby.
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    • Hengus
    • By Hengus 11th Jan 18, 10:09 AM
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    • 11th Jan 18, 10:09 AM
    We have been resisting the march of the smart meter. We had a water meter installed some years ago (in the house) with a remote external reading point. ST have been trying to get us to upgrade our meter to a smart meter but without success. I was about to go out earlier today when there was a knock at the door from an Amey engineer to replace the battery in our meter - it would only take 10 minutes. As he was finishing the work I noticed our old meter in his toolbox and that a new one had been installed (Aquadis+ with Everblu Cyble enhanced). I challenged him and said that this was not a battery change but a smart meter and that I didn't want wifi in the house. He told me that it was a mechanical meter, not smart and no wifi. I foolishly believed him. Subsequent online investigations seem to imply that it is indeed a smart meter and potentially sends daily readings wirelessly (isn't this wifi?). Can we get this meter removed now or are we stuck with it?
    Originally posted by melita
    Out of interest, are you so worried about wifi that you are posting on this thread using a wired connection to your router? I ask only because my wifi router log is currently detecting 38 other sources of wifi from adjacent properties. There really is no practical way to protect yourself from wifi; TV signals; mobile phone signals et al. The good news is that expert authorities across the Globe do not believe that wifi; RF etc pose a significant medical risk.

    All that said, I do think that you have the right to raise a complaint against Severn Trent. I would copy it their CEO who has said that ST takes customer feedback seriously.
    • JJ Egan
    • By JJ Egan 11th Jan 18, 10:36 AM
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    Even wired a router broadcasts wifi unless its turned off.
    But maybe OP has a wifi free household and used another source to post .
    • Blackbeard of Perranporth
    • By Blackbeard of Perranporth 11th Jan 18, 12:55 PM
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    Tin hats everyone, the Death Ray has been spotted
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    • badmemory
    • By badmemory 11th Jan 18, 6:08 PM
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    Regardless of tin hats, they should not be obtaining access by lying about what they are going to do. I do think that a letter headed complaint about that issue, and only that issue, should be written to Severn Trent.
    • melita
    • By melita 11th Jan 18, 9:53 PM
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    We have complained and hope to have something sorted soon. Thanks to all for your comments. It helps to be able to let off steam on here and get other points of view.

    We are as far as possible a wifi free household - apart from mobile phones. I know we can't control external wifi, but we can at least minimise exposure. It's not just the radiation but the security aspect. Our router has wifi switched off and we feed broadband round the house using the mains. I have also switched wifi off in my car.

    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 12th Jan 18, 9:00 AM
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    If you use a mobile phone you will be getting far more radiation right next to your brain than any meter in a fixed location unless it's under your pillow and even then not as concentrated as using a phone.

    As said above you cannot escape wifi and unless you live in an isolated farmhouse miles from anyone else you'll be irradiated by next door or even over the roads wifi. We are detached by at least 30 meters in all directions and can still see five other routers.
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    • badmemory
    • By badmemory 12th Jan 18, 12:19 PM
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    We too feed broadband round the house via the mains but for the simple reason that it gives a better outcome than wifi does. It no longer goes "down" for no apparant reason, which is always when you are in the middle of something.
    • Blackbeard of Perranporth
    • By Blackbeard of Perranporth 12th Jan 18, 12:42 PM
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    We are as far as possible a wifi free household - apart from mobile phones. I know we can't control external wifi, but we can at least minimise exposure. It's not just the radiation but the security aspect. Our router has wifi switched off and we feed broadband round the house using the mains. I have also switched wifi off in my car.
    Originally posted by melita

    Yet you use a mobile phone next to your ear. And all that nasty electricity that goes with it? What about the lithium that is in the mobile phone battery and the fires they cause?


    Tell you what, I will just check my ICD, it its emissions! They directly affect my heart, and every so often, it is read using wifi. I will ask my cardiologist next time to switch it off in case I sterilise my work colleagues with its emissions!
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    • Cardew
    • By Cardew 12th Jan 18, 5:01 PM
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    In simplistic terms, my understanding is that the person reading the water meter 'phones'(interrogates) your meter, which replies with its stored reading.
    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 12th Jan 18, 5:25 PM
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    Cardew is correct, it only responds when interrogated, usually by someone driving past the meter as it uses very low power mobile radio frequencies (in the 433Mhz band)
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    • anniecave
    • By anniecave 12th Jan 18, 11:01 PM
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    Cardew is correct, it only responds when interrogated, usually by someone driving past the meter as it uses very low power mobile radio frequencies (in the 433Mhz band)
    Originally posted by matelodave
    I have checked and I have this same meter. It was also Amey on behalf of Severn Trent. I don't think I was told in advance it would be a smart meter. I was told it does send automatic daily readings though, which I would assume is different from the "meter reader driving past" type.

    Happy to be told differently though.
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    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 13th Jan 18, 7:59 AM
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    a new one had been installed (Aquadis+ with Everblu Cyble enhanced).
    He told me that it was a mechanical meter, not smart and no wifi.
    Originally posted by melita
    Does it look like this?https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Itron-aquadis-Everblu-Cyble-enhanced-V2-1-water-meter/173071212892?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.M BE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49138%26meid%3Dfe1aff36ba5f4ac d8abb54c09719bdb0%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D3%26rkt%3D 3%26sd%3D352230502702&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m18 50

    Thats not a smart meter. It will send a reading a short distance by radio frequency on request, normally every six months. If you notice a water supply company van stop suddenly outside your house then drive off again you've just had your meter read.
    Last edited by Norman Castle; 13-01-2018 at 8:07 AM.
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    • spiro
    • By spiro 13th Jan 18, 8:23 AM
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    We have complained and hope to have something sorted soon. Thanks to all for your comments. It helps to be able to let off steam on here and get other points of view.

    We are as far as possible a wifi free household - apart from mobile phones. I know we can't control external wifi, but we can at least minimise exposure. It's not just the radiation but the security aspect. Our router has wifi switched off and we feed broadband round the house using the mains. I have also switched wifi off in my car.
    Originally posted by melita
    So you are using PLC (power line carrier) to send the data around your house, do you realise you are also sending it around your neighbours houses?
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    • Raxiel
    • By Raxiel 17th Jan 18, 12:36 PM
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    If you are concerned about EM radiation from a smart meter you can fit it with one of these:
    https://store.planet-tachyon.com/tachyon-g-smart-gas-meter-emf-radiation-protection-kit/

    Meters fitted with those devices are perfectly safe.
    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 17th Jan 18, 6:13 PM
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    If you are concerned about EM radiation from a smart meter you can fit it with one of these:
    https://store.planet-tachyon.com/tachyon-g-smart-gas-meter-emf-radiation-protection-kit/

    Meters fitted with those devices are perfectly safe.
    Originally posted by Raxiel
    Yes, I've seen those, just the job for those who are suitably gullible. Not sure if they are any good on water meters though, the operating frequency imay not be compatible.

    I wonder how many people are taken in and buy them but then I guess that a nation that's intelligent enough to vote for Donald Trump would embrace the benefits of these as well

    Just put a tin bucket over the meter
    Last edited by matelodave; 17-01-2018 at 6:16 PM.
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    • Robisere
    • By Robisere 17th Jan 18, 6:19 PM
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    If you are concerned about EM radiation from a smart meter you can fit it with one of these:
    https://store.planet-tachyon.com/tachyon-g-smart-gas-meter-emf-radiation-protection-kit/

    Meters fitted with those devices are perfectly safe.
    Originally posted by Raxiel
    Anyone for a bottle of Snake Oil and a tinfoil suit?
    I think this job really needs
    a much bigger hammer.
    • Raxiel
    • By Raxiel 18th Jan 18, 11:58 AM
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    Yes, I've seen those, just the job for those who are suitably gullible. Not sure if they are any good on water meters though, the operating frequency imay not be compatible.

    I wonder how many people are taken in and buy them but then I guess that a nation that's intelligent enough to vote for Donald Trump would embrace the benefits of these as well

    Just put a tin bucket over the meter
    Originally posted by matelodave
    Yes, I'm sure the disks are just as effective at stopping harmful rays be it a gas meter, electric meter, water meter, or a potato.

    Anyone for a bottle of Snake Oil and a tinfoil suit?
    Originally posted by Robisere
    How about a rock that keeps tigers away?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVqLHghLpw
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