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    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 10th Jan 18, 3:01 PM
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    wrong registration number on PCN, please help
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    • 10th Jan 18, 3:01 PM
    wrong registration number on PCN, please help 10th Jan 18 at 3:01 PM
    hi
    I hope you are well
    I have found parking PCN ticked from (CPM - Uk car park managment, BPA, IPC member)
    I found on it wrong REG on it , instead "M" is "W". They also have a photo evidence.
    Following the advice from the forum I have ignore the PCN.
    (I have checked payticked. website to confirm an error, I have screenshot with wrong details aswell).
    I have received from them Formal Demant. with the same ticket number but with corrected by them Reg number, I have found on the website they also change REG number to correct one.

    I have PCN from my windscreen and screenshot from the website.

    Could you please give me advice how to appel.

    Regards

    Tom
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 10th Jan 18, 3:07 PM
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    • #2
    • 10th Jan 18, 3:07 PM
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    • 10th Jan 18, 3:07 PM
    It has long been suspected that incorrect details are deliberately put on a NTD in the hope that someone will be daft enough to contact the scammers and give away the driver's details.

    Just use the IPC template from the NEWBIES thread as it is.

    You could carefully add that the details on the NTD don't mirror the details on the NTK and therefore does not meet the strict requirements of the POFA 2012, but it won't make any difference to the result. It will still be rejected.
    The NEWBIES tells you what to do if/when your initial appeal is rejected.
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 10th Jan 18, 3:14 PM
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    • #3
    • 10th Jan 18, 3:14 PM
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    • 10th Jan 18, 3:14 PM
    Following the advice from the forum I have ignore the PCN.
    You didn!!!8217;t get that advice from the forum - not since 2012. Where did you really get it from?
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 10th Jan 18, 3:19 PM
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    • 10th Jan 18, 3:19 PM
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    • 10th Jan 18, 3:19 PM
    You didnít get that advice from the forum - not since 2012. Where did you really get it from?
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    Unless the OP meant they ignored the NTD and waited for the NTK, which is advised on here for IPC members. I agree though that it isn't clear what was meant.
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    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 10th Jan 18, 3:22 PM
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    • 10th Jan 18, 3:22 PM
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    • 10th Jan 18, 3:22 PM
    I mean, I have browse the forum with similar subjects.
    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 8th Feb 18, 2:04 PM
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    • #6
    • 8th Feb 18, 2:04 PM
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    • 8th Feb 18, 2:04 PM
    hi
    just quick updete
    I have received Letter from CPM
    " We apologize for the administration error when the PCN was created, I can confirm now that the vehicle registration has now been amended. However the DVLA have confirmed you as registered keeper of the vehicle therefore as you were parked in breach of the terms and conditions you are still liable for the above charge."
    Also the letter has wrong middle name letter and my surname was incorrect one letter.

    What I should to do now?

    Regards
    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 8th Feb 18, 2:08 PM
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    • #7
    • 8th Feb 18, 2:08 PM
    CPM responce
    • #7
    • 8th Feb 18, 2:08 PM
    hi
    just quick updete
    I have received Letter from CPM
    " We apologize for the administration error when the PCN was created, I can confirm now that the vehicle registration has now been amended. However the DVLA have confirmed you as registered keeper of the vehicle therefore as you were parked in breach of the terms and conditions you are still liable for the above charge."
    Also the letter has wrong middle name letter and my surname was incorrect one letter.

    What I should to do now?

    Regards
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 8th Feb 18, 2:11 PM
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    • 8th Feb 18, 2:11 PM
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    • 8th Feb 18, 2:11 PM
    What are they alleging you, or rather, the driver of your car, have done wrong?
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    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 8th Feb 18, 2:19 PM
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    • 8th Feb 18, 2:19 PM
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    • 8th Feb 18, 2:19 PM
    The NtK MUST repeat the info on the NtD, otherwise it cannot possibly meet the requirements of POFA to hold the keeper liable.

    Their statement is an attempt at Fraud.
    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 8th Feb 18, 2:19 PM
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    Vehicle was parked in front of gate entrance of residential estate (few meters before information board) . The reason is as follows: No parking on access roads / roadways.
    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 8th Feb 18, 2:23 PM
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    actually in front of entrance to residential zone
    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 8th Feb 18, 2:34 PM
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    original appeal:


    Dear Sir/Madam,

    Please accept this letter as my formal challenge to this PCN; as a keeper of the mentioned vehicle. I fully deny liability for this charge based on the following:




    Registration mark on the summons did not relate to my vehicle or any vehicle I had ever own.



    Parking charge notice (PCN) shows different Vehicle registration number and do not match details of the car.

    Formal Demand (NTK) contain incorrect name of registered keeper and the Vehicle registration number do not match data from original Notice (number )



    Notice To Driver (NTD) do not mirror the details on the Notice To Keeper (NTK) and therefore does not meet the strict requirements of the POFA 2012 and should be cancelled.....


    Furthermore, you sent to me forged Formal Demand (NTK) ref. nr. document. Be aware it is illegal forging of documents and breach of low by Forgery Act 1913....

    Should you obtain the registered keeper's data from the DVLA without reasonable cause, please take this as formal notice that I reserve the right to sue your company and the landowner/principal, for a sum not less than £250 for any Data Protection Act breach.



    I do not give you consent to process data relating to me or this vehicle. I deny liability for any sum at all and you must consider this letter a Section 10 Notice under the DPA. You are required to respond within 21 days. I have kept proof of submission of this appeal and look forward to your reply.

    Yours faithfully,
    Last edited by tomeo007; 08-02-2018 at 2:38 PM.
    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 8th Feb 18, 4:23 PM
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    have you any ideas?
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 8th Feb 18, 4:32 PM
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    If the signs said " No parking on access roads / roadways" then they would be forbidding signs which are incapable of being a basis to form a contract.

    A sign needs to 'invite' a driver to park.

    Therefore, if a contract was not formed, the driver could not possibly break it.

    Can you show us a picture of the sign?
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    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 8th Feb 18, 5:18 PM
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    https:// i.imgur.com/aldd0AN.jpg
    https:// i.imgur.com/4OlNety.jpg
    https:// i.imgur.com/pDblML4.jpg
    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 8th Feb 18, 5:20 PM
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    please remove empty gap after https://
    Last edited by tomeo007; 08-02-2018 at 5:22 PM.
    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 8th Feb 18, 5:26 PM
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    http://i.imgur.com/aldd0AN.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/4OlNety.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/pDblML4.jpg

    Are there any signs before you get to the one you've shown us?

    If not, it is easy to think that the notice only applies beyond the gates.
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    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 8th Feb 18, 5:29 PM
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    there are no sings before at all
    • tomeo007
    • By tomeo007 9th Feb 18, 11:41 AM
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    quick update

    they sent to me first DRP debt recovery letter, it is not to early?
    I did not attempt second stage.

    any suggestions?
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 9th Feb 18, 1:08 PM
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    Parliament are introducing a bill to curb these scammers, the second reading was last week, watch it here

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    Do your bit to bankrupt these !!!!!!!s, complain forcibly to your MP.i
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
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