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    • Misslayed
    • By Misslayed 7th Jan 18, 5:41 PM
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    Internet protection for teenage granddaughters?
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    • 7th Jan 18, 5:41 PM
    Internet protection for teenage granddaughters? 7th Jan 18 at 5:41 PM
    My granddaughters are 15 and 13, they have tablet/iPad but no laptop or PC for homework, so Mr. M has Ďbox freshedí (is that a verb?) and updated my unused Dell mini laptop for them to use. It is slow, but not as slow as traipsing across town to the library to use theirs. They live with their ditsy mother and her current boyfriend, and I donít trust either of them to make the effort to ensure they are safe online. Their Dad bought their hand held devises and put parental controls on them. Iíve seen K9 recommended, but in a fairly old post, Stone Age in technological terms. We need something we can install on the ĎDellboyí before we give it to them. Is K9 still recommended? Any other advice? Elder granddaughter is tech savvy but sensible (think Saffy in Abfab), but Iím fairly sure the younger (not so tech or anything savvy) one will go looking.
    Any advice or recommendations appreciated
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    • Browntoa
    • By Browntoa 7th Jan 18, 5:45 PM
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    Who is your ISP ?

    Most have parental controls in the admin panel of the routers (make sure you have changed the password)

    You can lock it down to a device quite easily , rather than every device

    http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/internet/broadband/stay-safe-with-bt-parental-controls-11363887238413

    And on sky

    https://parentalcontrols-on.org/Sky
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    • elsien
    • By elsien 7th Jan 18, 5:48 PM
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    Good luck. My teenage nephew has managed to override everything set up so far. And what he can't do at home, he looks at at friend's houses with parents who seem less bothered about what their children access.
    All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well.

    Pedant alert - it's could have, not could of.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 7th Jan 18, 5:53 PM
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    All you can do is educate them and hope for the best. Parental controls, software and blocking isn't 100% foolproof or anywhere near approaching and a determined teen can work around them.
    • Misslayed
    • By Misslayed 7th Jan 18, 6:05 PM
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    Who is your ISP ?

    Most have parental controls in the admin panel of the routers (make sure you have changed the password)

    You can lock it down to a device quite easily , rather than every device

    http://home.bt.com/tech-gadgets/internet/broadband/stay-safe-with-bt-parental-controls-11363887238413

    And on sky

    https://parentalcontrols-on.org/Sky
    Originally posted by Browntoa
    It wonít be used at our house, and our relationship is brittle with their mother (now my ex DIL), she isnít going to let Mr M Ďfiddleí with her router (heís my second husband, not the girlsí grandfather) On previous record she would assure us - with a huge smile and probably a hug - not to worry my dears, Iíll get Buggalugs to sort it out (aka aforementioned !!!!less BF) She canít be trusted to get round to it. She would rather the girls snuggled on the settee watching chick flicks with her than waste their time on homework. She never did!
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    • Misslayed
    • By Misslayed 7th Jan 18, 6:08 PM
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    All you can do is educate them and hope for the best. Parental controls, software and blocking isn't 100% foolproof or anywhere near approaching and a determined teen can work around them.
    Originally posted by Tarambor
    Iím confident the older more able teen isnít determined and the younger one isnít capable (or couldnít be bothered if she hit an unexpected obstacle). But I need to feel Iíve done all I can.
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    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 7th Jan 18, 6:35 PM
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    K9 was the selected solution in this recent thread, although for much younger children.

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5768935
    • were
    • By were 7th Jan 18, 9:32 PM
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    disable the camera. Possibly draconian? Possibly I have been viewing the wrong sites today
    • Misslayed
    • By Misslayed 7th Jan 18, 9:37 PM
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    disable the camera. Possibly draconian? Possibly I have been viewing the wrong sites today
    Originally posted by were
    Thatís not a bad idea, Iím a bit out of touch but I canít think of a reason to have a working webcam for homework purposes! It excludes one avenue of exploitation at least ! And I can always plead ignorance if it comes up! Ta. (Sneaky Grandma)
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    • agrinnall
    • By agrinnall 8th Jan 18, 9:38 AM
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    Unless you physically remove the camera I would be very surprised if they can't quite easily work out how to enable it again.
    • spadoosh
    • By spadoosh 8th Jan 18, 9:52 AM
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    Dont mean to offend you but put simply you are not going to be able to control what your grandchildren do with a computer.

    My parents tried what they could but one of the benefits of being a teenager is youre by default tech savvy and have a fantastic ability to learn quickly. Much quicker than the fogies around you trying to restrict what you can do.


    I think you would be better educating them about the darker side of the internet as opposed to trying to keep them from it.

    We dont teach kids not to make fires, we teach them not to get burned.
    Don't be angry!
    • Misslayed
    • By Misslayed 8th Jan 18, 9:56 AM
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    Dont mean to offend you but put simply you are not going to be able to control what your grandchildren do with a computer.

    My parents tried what they could but one of the benefits of being a teenager is youre by default tech savvy and have a fantastic ability to learn quickly. Much quicker than the fogies around you trying to restrict what you can do.


    I think you would be better educating them about the darker side of the internet as opposed to trying to keep them from it.

    We dont teach kids not to make fires, we teach them not to get burned.
    Originally posted by spadoosh
    Very true, I agree absolutely, but still feel that in addition I have to take any steps available to protect them as far as I can, or I will lose my Grandma badge .
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    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 8th Jan 18, 9:56 AM
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    I think you would be better educating them about the darker side of the internet as opposed to trying to keep them from it.

    We dont teach kids not to make fires, we teach them not to get burned.
    Originally posted by spadoosh
    I second this ^

    At some point in their lives, they will be exposed to the risks - give them the tools to spot trouble and they'll stay safe whatever age they are.
    • Misslayed
    • By Misslayed 8th Jan 18, 9:59 AM
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    Unless you physically remove the camera I would be very surprised if they can't quite easily work out how to enable it again.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    Dot of superglue over the lens? I probably wonít actually do this!
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    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 8th Jan 18, 10:02 AM
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    Dot of superglue over the lens? I probably wonít actually do this!
    Originally posted by Misslayed
    Except when I'm using the camera, I have the lens covered - that's one the tips children should be taught.
    • Tarambor
    • By Tarambor 8th Jan 18, 12:04 PM
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    Very true, I agree absolutely, but still feel that in addition I have to take any steps available to protect them as far as I can, or I will lose my Grandma badge .
    Originally posted by Misslayed
    You may find the Grandma badge being replaced by the interfering old bag badge and that you may find that they don't want to see you as much or that their mother prevents you from seeing them.

    Ultimately at the end of the day YOU ARE NOT THEIR PARENT and you need to remember that. There's a fine line between being seen as helpful and being seen as interfering.
    • Misslayed
    • By Misslayed 8th Jan 18, 12:12 PM
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    Thank you for your contribution.
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    • Stoke
    • By Stoke 8th Jan 18, 2:39 PM
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    Iím confident the older more able teen isnít determined and the younger one isnít capable (or couldnít be bothered if she hit an unexpected obstacle). But I need to feel Iíve done all I can.
    Originally posted by Misslayed
    I remember as an 8-9 year old, tearing through various restrictions, both school and my parents put onto my machine. By the age of 13, they'd given up (and school had nearly expelled me, but we'll gloss over that for now). It was significantly harder to circumvent measures back then as well, seeing as the internet was basically via a single point of access for most people.

    If you stick a block via your router or ISP, then they'll just tether their phone via WiFi. If you disable the WiFi then they'll do it via a USB cable. If you disable tethering on their phone then they'll simply circumvent it via their phone. If you run a piece of net nanny software, they'll quickly work out a way to close it. There is always a way, trust me, even for a non-elevated user. Might take them a day, might take them an hour, but they'll eventually work out a way.

    Education, as someone has said above, might be more valuable here. Kids don't want to be told.... and kids are curious, but I think at the age of 15, your granddaughter might be able to pass on your wisdom to her little sister, so I would aim to get through to her rather than 'block' the internet.
    • Mojisola
    • By Mojisola 8th Jan 18, 3:28 PM
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    Education, as someone has said above, might be more valuable here. Kids don't want to be told.... and kids are curious, but I think at the age of 15, your granddaughter might be able to pass on your wisdom to her little sister, so I would aim to get through to her rather than 'block' the internet.
    Originally posted by Stoke
    And let them both know that if they come across something that worries them or they do something that they later realise they shouldn't have done, they can come to you and explain and that you'll help them sort it out rather than go ballistic.
    • were
    • By were 8th Jan 18, 4:44 PM
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    Unless you physically remove the camera I would be very surprised if they can't quite easily work out how to enable it again.
    Originally posted by agrinnall
    On Dell and Toshibas laptops that I have seen you can disable it in the bios. On my Samsung not. Also you can go to the drivers and stop it there too.

    Unsure if you can also disable it via group policy on Home Edition? To modify a cutdown version GP, you will have to download an MS addon GP addon, and it lets you do the basics.


    i am fairly confident, with a bit of tweaking that camera can be prevented from working.
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