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    • Mrs Imp
    • By Mrs Imp 5th Jan 18, 9:53 PM
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    What do double yellows need to be enforceable
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    What do double yellows need to be enforceable 5th Jan 18 at 9:53 PM
    Do double yellow lines need a T bar at either end to be enforceable?

    It appears that I parked on some double yellows (I got a ticket). There wasn't a T bar at either end, and they were in a general state of disrepair and not very easy to see in places.

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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 5th Jan 18, 10:13 PM
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    As we tend to major on private parking tickets here, PePiPoo will be your best bet for council tickets. Register there (but please note that a hotmail address won't work) and post a new thread; here's your link:

    Have a read through some of the other threads there before you post your own to get the hang of what information they need from you in your opening post - but as a minimum you will need to post redacted photos/scans of all correspondence you've received from the council (both sides, if appropriate) as they need to see all the small print.

    PePiPoo has an excellent success record in dealing with council tickets.

    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

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    • Mrs Imp
    • By Mrs Imp 5th Jan 18, 10:16 PM
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    Fab. Thank you
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 5th Jan 18, 10:49 PM
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    To answer the specific question on here to clear that bit up: no, they do NOT need a T bar, and can have gaps too.

    An Adjudicator would find DYL that look like DYL are 'substantially compliant'. They'd have to be in a terrible state to be held to be unenforceable, but there are other angles:

    - the Traffic Order not matching the DYL position
    - the PCN having wording errors
    - the Council screwing up the appeals process in some way (very common!) so you could argue 'procedural impropriety'
    - possible exempt activity, e.g. loading/unloading or assisting a disabled person or child in/out of premises
    - not enough observation time by the CEO (they must watch for at least 5 minutes as you could be loading).
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    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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    • By Half_way 6th Jan 18, 9:42 AM
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    Of course it all depends upon who/what issued the parking ticket
    From the Plain Language Commission:

    "The BPA has surely become one of the most socially dangerous organisations in the UK"
    • pogofish
    • By pogofish 6th Jan 18, 10:28 AM
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    Essentially its what Coupon Mad says.

    A few years back, you might well have been able to successfully challenge it at PATAS because the requirements for markings/maintenance were viewed more strictly and even small breaks/worn-off t-bars etc were enough to cancel a ticket but things were revised and 'normal wear and tear' allowed - so now you would need to demonstrate very substantial neglect/damage for a challenge to succeed.

    Pepipoo is unquestionably the best place for you to get help with this.
    Last edited by pogofish; 06-01-2018 at 10:32 AM.
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