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    • Jm90
    • By Jm90 4th Jan 18, 10:29 AM
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    Jm90
    No bond or agent fees, weary?
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    • 4th Jan 18, 10:29 AM
    No bond or agent fees, weary? 4th Jan 18 at 10:29 AM
    Hi all, myself, husband and children are looking to move away.
    We have found a large home we would like to move into, however some of the carpets do need changing, i pointed this out and they replied that there would be no bond or agent fees so we could put the carpet down that we liked.

    We are new to private renting and not sure if this is the norm or if its something to be weary of.

    As every other house we have liked all incuur additional charges.

    The house is also being advertised for sale, but have said that they would prefer to let it out.


    Any advice welcome.

    Many thanks
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    • G_M
    • By G_M 5th Jan 18, 2:58 PM
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    G_M
    Have you actually viewed the property yet?

    Who is the guy you're talking to claiming to be The landlord or a letting agent?

    If agent, which company, and have you reserached them?
    If landlord, have you checked with the Land Registry he owns the property (£3)?

    There's nothing inheritantly wrong about no deposit andd no fees - it saves you money. But it is unusual so rings a few alarm bells - hence the Qs above.

    If you decide to go ahead, and intend to invest your own money on improvements, carpets etc,
    1) get written consent for each improvement and
    2) only do so if you have at least 12 months, if not 24 months fixed term, with no Break Clause. Bear in mind it commits you as well as the landlord to that minimum period.
    • Jm90
    • By Jm90 5th Jan 18, 8:00 PM
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    Hi all, ive mentioned the company it was on with in my last post.
    My husband spoke to him last night as we had a viewing arranged for tomorrow.
    The person i am in contact with is the actual owner along with a friend of his, he said he also owns a couple of other homes on that road and also the local pub.
    It will be another tenant showing us around tomorrow as he doesnt live in that town.

    The site that its listed under on zoopla is his company and has other houses on it.

    He was happy to do a 12 month or even 24 month tenancy, whichever we prefer.
    • Cakeguts
    • By Cakeguts 5th Jan 18, 8:11 PM
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    I have looked on Zoopla and the only accommodation that I can find that is around £450 per month is for a room in a shared house. This one for example is a shared flat. https://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/45629198?search_identifier=0356de624b676920f78af52 858513542#L6bBrlX43ka41S2R.97 It is £450 for a bond for each of 4 students who will all being paying £433 per month. The monthly rent for the property is £1732 per month.

    I can't find any whole 4 bed properties to let at either £750 or £450 per month. Only house shares where the cost is for each room.
    • Cakeguts
    • By Cakeguts 5th Jan 18, 8:15 PM
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    Cakeguts
    Hi all, ive mentioned the company it was on with in my last post.
    My husband spoke to him last night as we had a viewing arranged for tomorrow.
    The person i am in contact with is the actual owner along with a friend of his, he said he also owns a couple of other homes on that road and also the local pub.
    It will be another tenant showing us around tomorrow as he doesnt live in that town.

    The site that its listed under on zoopla is his company and has other houses on it.

    He was happy to do a 12 month or even 24 month tenancy, whichever we prefer.
    Originally posted by Jm90
    When you say another tenant do you mean another tenant who will be sharing the house with you?

    I looked on Zoopla and I couldn't find any houses in that price bracket that were not being rented by room.
    • Keto Plastics
    • By Keto Plastics 5th Jan 18, 8:39 PM
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    Thanks all for the reply. I would have left the carpets down anyway when leaving and i would have definitely made sure this was a long tenancy.
    The house is on for sale with a different company altogether. He sent me their link as more pictures on their page.
    Most of our conversation has been quite short i. Responses to me which i find strange.

    Like i say I'm new to it all and ive asked to view this sat. I just thought if it was a scam, would ve not be asking for money, not knocking it off.
    I have searched him up online and says hes a estate agent.

    Im so desperate to get from here i thought i best ask as something just doesn't feel right.

    The carpets just looks grubby to be honest, no noticeable holes that i can see
    Originally posted by Jm90

    Listen to Your Gut instinct and stay away from that property, especially with Kids and You not knowing if the gas boiler / appliances are safe in the house
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    • Cakeguts
    • By Cakeguts 5th Jan 18, 9:38 PM
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    I will tell you about the way the usual scam with property rentals works. What happens is that someone advertises a property that looks like a good price. When you make and appointment to view you are told that you will be shown around by someone not the landlord. The reason given as to why the landlord cannot show you round is because they don't live locally. This is usually because the advertised property is not owned by the landlord it owned by someone completely different. In some cases the tenant renting it shows you round.

    Do not give any money to the person showing your round to hold the property for you. Do not send any money in the post to the landlord. Do not do anything about this property until you have found out who owns it.

    A good landlord does not arrange for some other person to show you their property. You are either shown round by the landlord or the letting agent.

    Do not pay any money to anybody concerning this property until you have made checks on the ownership.
    If a property looks too good to be true then it is. Landlords do not let nice properties for a lot less than they can get.
    • HampshireH
    • By HampshireH 5th Jan 18, 9:48 PM
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    Can you post the zoopla link with a space or their reference number?
    • Jm90
    • By Jm90 7th Jan 18, 11:42 AM
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    Ok, so we viewed the property, there was a builder in there doing some works who let us in.
    The whole house is what is on offer, not shared.

    Although cheap, it does need work and making into a home.

    I spoke to some of the neighbours and the man working there, the landlord does own the hotel/pub at the end of the road and other houses too, i knew that to be true after looking online and trying to find out more about the landlord in question.

    Neighbourhood looked nice, clean and tidy, as well as the neighbours

    After speaking to a lady in the local cafe, she said that people come and go because of lack of work.
    Employment is not a worry for us at the moment. I know things can change. My husband id used to commuting anyway and has people who sub for him too, i work from home.

    What i would like to know, if we were to go for this property what things we should make sure are in writing.

    Should we have the gas/electric certificates ourselves?

    Do we just read the tenancy like we did for our home here (housing association)
    Or better to get someone to look over it?

    I know people probably think im being naive, but i need to get from this place, its making me ill, my neighbour is vile and i cannot cope any longer living here. (Which is why i need every basis covered)
    The area now is mainly pensioners.
    • Jm90
    • By Jm90 7th Jan 18, 11:44 AM
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    Ive not been asked for any money yet at all.

    Thanks
    • harrys dad
    • By harrys dad 7th Jan 18, 12:50 PM
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    You need to think very carefully before giving up a secure Housing Association tenancy and moving into private rented. Have you spoken to the HA about your neighbour? Have you looked for a house swap?
    • Cakeguts
    • By Cakeguts 7th Jan 18, 12:55 PM
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    What are you going to do if the landlord of the new place changes his mind after 6 months and asks you to leave? Private renting is for people who don't mind moving a lot. You might get lucky and get a landlord who is happy for you to stay for years and years but you might not. Also they can put the rent up a lot too.
    • G_M
    • By G_M 7th Jan 18, 12:56 PM
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    The landlord sounds legit from what you say.

    You treat this as any normal tenancy. Obvious things are

    * when paying anything, get a receipt, specifying what the payment is for (rent? security depost? holding deposit?) and whether/how it is refundable
    * don't sign an inventory till you are in and have checked it is accurate, both in terms of what is there, and in what condition
    * if you discuss/agree any improvements (eg LL promises to install new carpets/whatever), get it confirmed in writing
    * read the tenancy agreement. If you don't understand anything, quote it (exactly!) here and we'll help.
    * make sure the length of tenancy is what you want - 6 months, 12, whatever. Bear in mind you have no security after that, though the tenancy may continue

    These links may help, now or in future:

    * Repairing Obligations: the law, common misconceptions, reporting/enforcing, retaliatory eviction & the new tenant protection (2015)

    * Deposits:
    payment, protection and return

    * Ending/renewing an AST: what happens when a fixed term ends? How can a LL or tenant end a tenancy? What is a periodic tenancy?

    * Rent increases: when & how can rent be increased?

    * Repossession: what if a LL's mortgage lender repossesses the property?
    • Jm90
    • By Jm90 8th Jan 18, 8:30 AM
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    I just wanted to say, i really am greatful for the help you've all given me.
    I know giving up our home is a huge step but honestly my neighbour seems to be untouchable.

    Constantly got police there, then we dont see him for a few weeks then hes back again.
    As i say always in trouble with police but nothing ever comes of it.
    From drugs/fighting/them searching for a fire arm which resulted them using a tazor on him and getting him in the throat.
    He flips at the drop a hat and i feel like im treading on egg shells all the time, looks like he is just waiting for an argument constantly.
    Ive only had it directed at my family once, last boxing day, was awful and he ended up kicking a massive hole in his own fence because he couldnt control himself.
    My mum and sister were visiting, she ended up calling the police to which i had to beg them not to come as he said he would make our lives hell

    I dont want my children to be bought up around this and thinking its normal.
    Ive been very depressed about it all, ive waited and waited hoping the police would remove him but they wont, i am left with no other option.
    • Jm90
    • By Jm90 8th Jan 18, 9:35 AM
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    I have no idea how to quote people,sorry.
    I assumed he wouldn't be able to just sell up if we have a tenancy agreement?
    Ive looked into home swaps just nothing around, ive looked for ages.
    Ive called local councils but because we have no family in these towns they said we wouldn't be offered anywhere as we are not actually home less.
    • davidmcn
    • By davidmcn 8th Jan 18, 9:41 AM
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    I have no idea how to quote people
    Originally posted by Jm90
    You use the "Quote" button which is at the foot of every post here...
    • Jm90
    • By Jm90 8th Jan 18, 10:26 AM
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    Yes ive tried that. Im on my phone but it doesnt seem to do anything
    • Out, Vile Jelly
    • By Out, Vile Jelly 8th Jan 18, 10:41 AM
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    I assumed he wouldn't be able to just sell up if we have a tenancy agreement?
    Originally posted by Jm90
    I'm worried that you have no idea how precarious private renting can be. Subject to the specific terms of your contract (please read this properly!), a landlord can give notice for any reason and doesn't have to justify their decision. A standard tenancy is usually for 12 months with an initial 6 month break clause, followed by 2 months notice from either party ie you could be legally served notice and have to move again after 6 months. You can ask to negotiate if you want a long term tenancy; the flipside is you will not be able to move quickly if you need to for work, health or neighbour reasons. You will need to bear in mind the cost of moving (ie deposit and first 6 weeks rent upfront) and aim to have this saved up to have on hand in case a correctly served eviction notice arrives at any point. This is the reality of life for Britain's private tenants.

    Please note it's generally a waste of your time and money to improve the property at all, and get agreement in writing if you do make any changes to decor. Take dated photos of everything when you move in for the inventory.
    They are an EYESORES!!!!
    • Jm90
    • By Jm90 8th Jan 18, 11:07 AM
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    I really do not know, which is why i am asking as i dont want to be stung, its all new to me. Ive been safe in housing associations so far

    We are viewing a separate house today, different town, which is all done via an estate agent. Its more money/less rooms bond/fees, so we will see how that goes.

    Ive not heard back yet off the landlord of the house in question.
    So, he agreed to a 12month or 24 month tenancy before we viewed it.
    If we did go for it and sign a 12 month tenancy, could he still just sell up?
    • Jm90
    • By Jm90 8th Jan 18, 11:08 AM
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    Sorry i see what you've said. I will see what he comes back with and update. Thanks again
    • Slithery
    • By Slithery 8th Jan 18, 11:27 AM
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    If we did go for it and sign a 12 month tenancy, could he still just sell up?
    Originally posted by Jm90
    Yes, at any time.

    But then the new owner would become your landlord.
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