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    • krlyr
    • By krlyr 3rd Jan 18, 9:54 PM
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    Gas/central heating vs electric
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    • 3rd Jan 18, 9:54 PM
    Gas/central heating vs electric 3rd Jan 18 at 9:54 PM
    I recently purchased a 1 bed house, which currently has no gas to the property. There are two electric heaters, and the hot water runs off an immersion heater - which is taking some getting used to.

    I'm debating biting the bullet and having a boiler/gas central heating installed. I've had an online quote of ~£1000 to bring gas to the property (nearest pipe is around 30m away from the property) and an online calculator has come in around £2000 based on property size/no. of radiators, but I'm not sure how accurate this is - I guess I'm best to get some local installers to quote me for a more accurate price.

    Just wondering if the investment is worth it. I do miss the instant hot water, but I am planning to hopefully to sell and move on in a couple of years time, so I could probably put up with it/get used to it. I'm not sure the savings on bills would pay for the installation - however, I'm wondering if it will increase property price/saleability enough to justify it.

    I'm basically gutting/redecorating the whole property over the next few months so it would be a good time to have the work done if I do decide to go ahead with it.
    Last edited by krlyr; 03-01-2018 at 9:57 PM.
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    • Ectophile
    • By Ectophile 3rd Jan 18, 11:28 PM
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    I'd be surprised if you could get a complete central heating system installed for £2000. That's about what I would expect just for supplying and fitting the boiler.
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    • Grenage
    • By Grenage 4th Jan 18, 8:08 AM
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    • 4th Jan 18, 8:08 AM
    Gas every time for me; the running costs alone on fuel makes it a good choice.
    • Katapolt
    • By Katapolt 4th Jan 18, 9:26 AM
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    • 4th Jan 18, 9:26 AM
    I moved into a 3 bed end of terraced house 2 weeks ago that had all the central heating ripped out and energy saving electric heaters installed. Personally, i dont really see an issue with it, they're mega efficient and its quite handy only having an electric and water bill.

    suppose it depends on how you can "Sell" it when it goes on the market, but no central heating doesnt have to be such a big deal to buyers now if theres a valid reason
    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 4th Jan 18, 10:03 AM
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    I would get proper quotes for the installation then figure out if it will increase the saleability and price. Its likely you paid a lower price due to the lack of gas supply and heating.

    Could the supply pipe costs be shared with near neighbours?
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    • cattie
    • By cattie 4th Jan 18, 2:45 PM
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    • 4th Jan 18, 2:45 PM
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    Go for it. There is no way I'd consider buying a place with electric heating only & would happily pay a bit more for a property with a decent boiler & full ch.
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    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 4th Jan 18, 4:14 PM
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    • 4th Jan 18, 4:14 PM
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    If you are planning on selling in a couple of years you need to think about how much of the cost you will recoup in energy saving and any increase in the property value. As a 1 bed property, you also need to think about how future purchasers might want to use the heating - it might be very different to the needs for a family home.

    Have you got an Economy 7 or Economy 10 supply? This ought to be the first thing to look at if not. If you have, then you should be able to heat a day's worth of hot water overnight, and therefore have instant hot water available all day.... it shouldn't be something you are missing, unless the system is not set up as it should be.
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    • krlyr
    • By krlyr 4th Jan 18, 7:38 PM
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    • 4th Jan 18, 7:38 PM
    If you are planning on selling in a couple of years you need to think about how much of the cost you will recoup in energy saving and any increase in the property value. As a 1 bed property, you also need to think about how future purchasers might want to use the heating - it might be very different to the needs for a family home.

    Have you got an Economy 7 or Economy 10 supply? This ought to be the first thing to look at if not. If you have, then you should be able to heat a day's worth of hot water overnight, and therefore have instant hot water available all day.... it shouldn't be something you are missing, unless the system is not set up as it should be.
    Originally posted by EachPenny
    It's difficult to tell. It's only a 1 bed property so most likely purchases would be first time buyers/young couples without kids or singletons. Part of me thinks that it will probably be people in a similar position to me - not able to afford much else in this area so not able to be too picky! The cost of the electric was something I was a little worried about, but the lack of any real alternative meant it wasn't a dealbreaker. Very few houses on the estate seem to have gas, judging by the limited pipes I could join on to.

    However, I am modernising the property in terms of decor - basically gutting the lot - so wondering if I should just go the whole shebang with central heating in the hopes of marketing as a bit better quality/worth a bit more.

    I'm on an economy 7 plan at the minute but not really making any use of the cheaper hours at night. The immersion simply has an on/off switch so it's a case of turning it on when I remember. I go to bed too early to start during the economy 7 hours and I'd probably forget to turn it off in the morning too. If I don't go down the central heating route though I could use some of those funds to make the electrical system more economic - so a timer plug, a better heater upstairs, I've thought about one of those electric heaters that plumbs in under the sink if I just need enough hot water to wash a couple of mugs for example.
    • krlyr
    • By krlyr 4th Jan 18, 7:42 PM
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    I would get proper quotes for the installation then figure out if it will increase the saleability and price. Its likely you paid a lower price due to the lack of gas supply and heating.

    Could the supply pipe costs be shared with near neighbours?
    Originally posted by Norman Castle
    Thanks. I'm going to get a few quotes to see what costs would work out at. Re sharing costs, I'm the end terrace on a block of three and I don't really know the neighbours - one is an elderly couple who I'm not sure would go to the effort/disruption (they've managed without for the 30 years they've lived there), the other I rarely even see and I have a hunch they rent rather than own.
    • jrrowleyws
    • By jrrowleyws 4th Jan 18, 7:45 PM
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    Get the immersion wired into an E7 circuit and get a few storage heaters. My first house was 1 bed all electric and it was quite good on an E7 circuit
    • EachPenny
    • By EachPenny 4th Jan 18, 9:12 PM
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    I'm on an economy 7 plan at the minute but not really making any use of the cheaper hours at night. The immersion simply has an on/off switch so it's a case of turning it on when I remember. I go to bed too early to start during the economy 7 hours and I'd probably forget to turn it off in the morning too. If I don't go down the central heating route though I could use some of those funds to make the electrical system more economic - so a timer plug, a better heater upstairs
    Originally posted by krlyr
    I would get the immersion heater onto a timer asap. You can get a purpose-made wired-in one for under £15. It doesn't take much running during peak hours, or forgetting to turn the heater off, to recover this cost quite quickly. Even if you do go over to Gas CH it will take a while before you are able to heat your water by gas.

    I've thought about one of those electric heaters that plumbs in under the sink if I just need enough hot water to wash a couple of mugs for example.
    Originally posted by krlyr
    Those units tend to be quite expensive, and over two years it is debateable whether the saving on energy cost would recover the cost of the unit - they also use electric at the time of day you use hot water, so again you'd be paying peak rate. Boiling a kettle would probably be more economical if you don't want to get the immersion heater working on E7.
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    • J B
    • By J B 4th Jan 18, 10:01 PM
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    I moved into a 3 bed end of terraced house 2 weeks ago that had all the central heating ripped out and energy saving electric heaters installed.
    Originally posted by Katapolt
    Bet you're glad you got the "energy saving" ones.



    • Norman Castle
    • By Norman Castle 5th Jan 18, 9:42 AM
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    Bet you're glad you got the "energy saving" ones.



    Originally posted by J B
    They sound Fischy.
    Last edited by Norman Castle; 05-01-2018 at 2:54 PM.
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    • Katapolt
    • By Katapolt 8th Jan 18, 9:26 AM
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    Bet you're glad you got the "energy saving" ones.



    Originally posted by J B
    Well, everything else with the house was spot on, and they actually work incredibly well so im pretty happy.
    • movilogo
    • By movilogo 8th Jan 18, 12:23 PM
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    For 1-bed property don't bother with gas. Electric should just do fine.

    There is lot less to go wrong with electric. It is not always the case the electric heating is more expensive compared to gas.
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    • krlyr
    • By krlyr 16th Jan 18, 12:58 PM
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    First quote has come back at £2500 for the boiler/pipework/radiators/etc. - so about £3500-4000 in total. However, would probably also require the bathroom revamp to be done sooner than expected (I'm planning to replace shower with a bath so would need to do the work now to have the radiator fitted in the correct place long-term) so committing to a big spend to get it done. Might be more economical to put that spend into new windows (quite a few of the units have blown) and a front door to better insulate the place..
    • Biggles
    • By Biggles 16th Jan 18, 2:10 PM
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    It is not always the case the electric heating is more expensive compared to gas.
    Originally posted by movilogo
    To be honest - yes, it is always the case. It's just a matter of how much more expensive.
    • stator
    • By stator 16th Jan 18, 2:28 PM
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    What type of property is it?
    Are you the bottom flat or top flat or middle flat?

    A Victorian terrace split into flats? I would definitely want gas in any old properties like this that are hard to insulate.

    A purpose built flat built 3 years ago? A modern flat will be built with decent insulation and if the flat has limited outdoor exposure then I would stick with electric for simplicity.

    The more heat you need the more tempted I would be to get GAS.
    Some modern flats it wouldn't be worth the cost when you consider the cost of fitting , servicing and replacing the boiler every 10 years.

    If your flat has neighbours above and below, to the left and right and you've only got one wall that is to the outside, and it is properly insulated, with nice energy efficient windows, then your heating bill on electric isn't going to be that much. Plus you might consider the environmental effect. You can buy green electricity, but all gas is the same and produces CO2.
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    • krlyr
    • By krlyr 16th Jan 18, 2:55 PM
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    What type of property is it?
    Are you the bottom flat or top flat or middle flat?
    Originally posted by stator
    It's an end-terrace house.
    • onomatopoeia99
    • By onomatopoeia99 16th Jan 18, 3:40 PM
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    It is not always the case the electric heating is more expensive compared to gas.
    Originally posted by movilogo
    Given the difference in cost per kilowatt hour between electricity and gas (typically threefold), it is always the case that electric is more expensive, even with economy seven..
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