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    • luke123456
    • By luke123456 30th Dec 17, 2:21 AM
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    Uk cpm
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    • 30th Dec 17, 2:21 AM
    Uk cpm 30th Dec 17 at 2:21 AM
    Hi

    I got a windscreen ticket about 3 weeks ago from UK CPM.

    Just before sending them my initial appeal, I did not want to give out my details if they are not a BPA member

    Upon checking I can't see that they are a BPA member but they are a member of IPC as far as I can tell. But on the ticket and UK CPM website they claim to be a part of BPA, can someone correct me please if I am wrong

    Should I send the standard BPA initial appeal as in the sticky thread or should I wait for the NTK to arrive?

    Many thanks
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 30th Dec 17, 7:33 AM
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    They can be corporate members of both IPC and BPA, but only members of only one accredited operator scheme, the bit that allows them to get keeper details from the DVLA.

    Wait for the NTK then send the IPC template. Well done on querying this before sending off an appeal. So many posters go off at half-c0ck and give away the driver's details.
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    • luke123456
    • By luke123456 30th Dec 17, 12:10 PM
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    • 30th Dec 17, 12:10 PM
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    • 30th Dec 17, 12:10 PM
    Got it!

    Thanks very much I will wait of the NTK

    Can I ask a question, I have appealed a few of these and always won at POPLA with all your help, but i can't remember is the POPLA code given with the NTK? Or Do I have to appeal after the NTK to then be given the POPLA code

    Happy New Year!
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 30th Dec 17, 12:35 PM
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    • 30th Dec 17, 12:35 PM
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    • 30th Dec 17, 12:35 PM
    How do you manage to collect so many private parking tickets? We see you back here regularly with a new problem to deal with.

    You really should be expert in handling these by now.

    Do I have to appeal after the NTK to then be given the POPLA code
    You won’t be getting any POPLA Code from UKCPM. And they are litigious, so you need to be getting yourself geared up for the possibility of dealing with court papers.

    http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/UK_Car_Park_Management.html
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    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 30th Dec 17, 12:47 PM
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    • 30th Dec 17, 12:47 PM
    You need to go back an read the NEWBIES thread if you think you will get a PoPLA code from an IPC company. The NEWBIES also tells you what to do if/when your initial appeal is rejected by an IPC company.
    Last edited by Fruitcake; 30-12-2017 at 12:53 PM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 30th Dec 17, 3:11 PM
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    • 30th Dec 17, 3:11 PM
    Got it!

    Thanks very much I will wait of the NTK

    Can I ask a question, I have appealed a few of these and always won at POPLA with all your help, but i can't remember is the POPLA code given with the NTK? Or Do I have to appeal after the NTK to then be given the POPLA code
    Originally posted by luke123456
    No POPLA, no win at appeal, no IAS, nothing is going to stop this steamroller, until they try court, and you beat them.

    If this is at your flat where you live, I'd move. Seriously, I told two other posters the same thing this week. Having a PPC on site just isn't compatible with peaceful enjoyment of your property. Or was it elsewhere?
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • luke123456
    • By luke123456 31st Dec 17, 4:05 PM
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    • 31st Dec 17, 4:05 PM
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    • 31st Dec 17, 4:05 PM
    Hi C-M

    Thanks for the reply

    So you're telling me that with UK CPM its going to court and it will get rejected at POPLA (if I get a POPLA code), to the extent that youre advising I move!

    It's actually a family member who lives there...they have a parking permit but it slipped under the dashboard so it isn't visible but they have a parking space they rent out and pay for but they are still obliged to display their permit in their own designated bay that they pay for!

    So in short, if It's going to court then would you say I should just pay it? It's my last resort if you would say it's going to court or I should best move home!

    Thank you!
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 31st Dec 17, 4:37 PM
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    So you're telling me that with UK CPM its going to court and it will get rejected at POPLA
    POPLA doesn!!!8217;t come into the equation. IPC operators (which UKCPM are one) have no connection whatsoever with POPLA. Forget anything in your head about POPLA.

    It!!!8217;s not !!!8216;definitely going to court!!!8217;, but it just might. No one knows only UKCPM whether they will issue proceedings.

    It's actually a family member who lives there
    So this isn!!!8217;t your parking charge? But then the following doesn!!!8217;t make sense.

    So in short, if It's going to court then would you say I should just pay it? It's my last resort if you would say it's going to court or I should best move home!
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

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    • luke123456
    • By luke123456 31st Dec 17, 4:48 PM
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    • 31st Dec 17, 4:48 PM
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    • 31st Dec 17, 4:48 PM
    Thanks Umkomaas!

    It definitely isn't my charge, but a family member so I was just saying they should probably pay it if UK CPM are so notorious for going to court....

    So if there's no POPLA in this equation- I suppose I make an initial appeal without admission of liability or submission of driver details?



    Thanks
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 31st Dec 17, 5:06 PM
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    I was just saying they should probably pay it if UK CPM are so notorious for going to court
    Only your relative can make that decision. We would advise fighting it, but your relative will have to do quite a bit of work in researching how to deal with it, handling all the court documentation and ultimately a court appearance. I would suggest they didn!!!8217;t do this through you, but they open a new thread of their own where direct questions can be answered and advice given to them, rather than through a third party, which is rarely a satisfactory method of doing this.

    But you!!!8217;re making an inaccurate assumption that this will definitely go to a court stage. All far too premature at this stage.

    How to deal with an initial appeal to an IPC operator is detailed in the NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #1.

    I suppose I make an initial appeal without admission of liability or submission of driver details?
    But you don!!!8217;t make the appeal - your relative does. But await the NtK and see what that says.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

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    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 31st Dec 17, 5:11 PM
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    It definitely isn't my charge, but a family member so I was just saying they should probably pay it if UK CPM are so notorious for going to court....
    Originally posted by luke123456
    You are not following any advice from this forum when you say that!



    So if there's no POPLA in this equation- I suppose I make an initial appeal without admission of liability or submission of driver details?



    Thanks
    Originally posted by luke123456

    The Newbies FAQ thread tells you what to do initially when dealing with IPC companies
    Last edited by Quentin; 31-12-2017 at 5:13 PM.
    • luke123456
    • By luke123456 31st Dec 17, 5:47 PM
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    Thanks for the replies.

    I would like to clarify that this is quite an elderly family member that I am helping out. They use their car for little journeys and on this occasion had made a mistake with displaying the parking permit in a space they rent out.

    I would appreciate being advised as if it was my own charge.
    • luke123456
    • By luke123456 31st Dec 17, 5:50 PM
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    As Advised and as mentioned in the NEWBIES THREAD

    I will wait for the NTK (the 28 days is coming up in a few days) and then I will respond with the template letter to IPC companies

    Thanks
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 31st Dec 17, 6:51 PM
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    So in short, if It's going to court then would you say I should just pay it?
    No, if I thought that I would have said it. I NEVER say that.

    I do suggest protecting elderly relatives by giving YOUR address as if it's theirs, when appealing. That way you can honestly tell the elderly relative you are 'dealing with it' and they won't hear any more.

    And you will see all the letters and no numpty relative (trying to 'help'!) will panic and pay.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 01-01-2018 at 5:21 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • luke123456
    • By luke123456 1st Jan 18, 1:29 PM
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    Thanks C-M!

    I will wait for the NTK and then appeal with the the template letter to IPC companies as per the newbies thread and keep you posted.

    1) I take it they don't care about seeing a copy of the permit and explaining that it was an accident etc that it wasn't displayed and that I should just use the template appeal and not deviate too much from that?

    2) I will put my address, but does the name of the appellant have to be the elderly relative or can it be me and my address?

    3) Also, at which point do UK CPM start to add a CCJ or anything like that, si it after court if it reaches that stage?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 1st Jan 18, 1:32 PM
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    Creditors have six years to start legal proceedings

    If they do then the defendant would get a ccj either by ignoring the claim or by defending it but losing in court.

    If the defendant ends up with a ccj then it will be removed from the records if it is paid in full within a month of getting it
    Last edited by Quentin; 01-01-2018 at 1:35 PM.
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 1st Jan 18, 1:35 PM
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    1. While they!!!8217;ll pay no regard to it, enclose a copy to show that you have the proof of entitlement to park.

    2. The NtK will be in the registered keeper!!!8217;s name - all appeals/correspondence must be in that name.

    3. The amount of time you!!!8217;ve had in dealing with private parking tickets and you don!!!8217;t know this. Try doing some Google searches for some easy questions rather than expecting volunteers to be saving you the effort. Try this in Google !!!8216;Who can issue a CCJ!!!8217;.
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 01-01-2018 at 2:00 PM.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

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    • luke123456
    • By luke123456 1st Jan 18, 1:49 PM
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    3. The amount of time you’ve had in dealing with private parking tickets and you don’t know this. Try doing some Google searches for some easy questions rather than expecting volunteers to be saving you the effort. Try this in Google ‘Who can issue a CCJ’.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    Thanks Umkomaas for this, but I don't aim to be lazy at all.

    I have always appealed tickets that go to POPLA and given a POPLA code and always won't at POPLA and never gone further than this stage obviously. In this instance UKCPM don't issue POPLA codes and the issue about Court and CCJs has been raised.

    Thank you for your help again
    • bergkamp
    • By bergkamp 1st Jan 18, 2:04 PM
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    Recent UKCPM court activity here;

    http://www.bmpa.eu/companydata/UK_Car_Park_Management.html
    • luke123456
    • By luke123456 7th Jan 18, 12:03 PM
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    Thanks that has also helped.

    I will await and see if NTK arrives

    Thanks
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