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    • Walaboobah
    • By Walaboobah 14th Dec 17, 7:51 PM
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    Premier Park - Student Accomodation
    • #1
    • 14th Dec 17, 7:51 PM
    Premier Park - Student Accomodation 14th Dec 17 at 7:51 PM
    Hi all,

    Received a PCN for Unauthorised Entry / Parking. There for 49 minutes according to the entry the entry time and exit time although the difference between the entry time and the exit time is actually 50 minutes (not sure if this is relevant though.

    Anyway we have submitted a Keeper's appeal to Premier Park and are awaiting a POPLA code.

    Hoping we will be able to beat them at POPLA although technically the car shouldn't have been on-site at the accommodation.

    There is a paragraph at the bottom of the PCN, it doesn't state anything about it being a Notice to Keeper, assume this comes later?

    The paragraph says

    "We now request this amount is paid using one of the payment methods described overleaf, If within 29 days we have not received full payment or driver details, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, we have the right, subject to the requirements of the Act, to recover the parking charge amount that remains unpaid from the keeper of the vehicle"

    I understand form other threads on Premier Park that this is an incorrect paragraph and we should be able to beat them at POPLA.

    If anyone has any additional advice, I'd be grateful as I only have experience of winning against NCP so far!

    Cheers
    Last edited by Walaboobah; 05-02-2018 at 3:02 PM.
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 14th Dec 17, 7:55 PM
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    • #2
    • 14th Dec 17, 7:55 PM
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    • 14th Dec 17, 7:55 PM
    if a pcn comes in the post , it is an NTK regardless of what it says on it

    it comes in the POST as a Notice To the KEEPER, so is an NTK, or invoice

    the one that is NOT an NTK is a windscreen ticket and is a Notice To the Driver

    SO ANY POSTAL NOTICE IS AN NTK, even if it does not say so
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 14th Dec 17, 7:55 PM
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    • #3
    • 14th Dec 17, 7:55 PM
    • #3
    • 14th Dec 17, 7:55 PM
    Throughout here you are advised never to reveal who was driving


    You need to edit your post to remove details of who was driving


    The ppcs monitor here and can use your posts against you
    • Walaboobah
    • By Walaboobah 14th Dec 17, 8:10 PM
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    • 14th Dec 17, 8:10 PM
    • #4
    • 14th Dec 17, 8:10 PM
    Thanks both for the advice, have edited the post to remove details of the driver (I think)
    • Redx
    • By Redx 14th Dec 17, 8:16 PM
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    • #5
    • 14th Dec 17, 8:16 PM
    • #5
    • 14th Dec 17, 8:16 PM
    Hi all,

    Received a PCN for Unauthorised Entry / Parking.

    1) There for 49 minutes according to the entry the entry time and exit time although the difference between the entry time and the exit time is actually 50 minutes (not sure if this is relevant though.

    Hoping we will be able to beat them at POPLA although technically the driver shouldn't have been on-site at the accommodation.

    2) The driver never left the vehicle!
    Originally posted by Walaboobah
    1) irrelevant but in the keepers favour and not PP , although the BPA CoP interpretation would only help if it was say 10 minutes or less (grace period , clause #13)

    2) irrelevant , it was on site , manned or unmanned , engine on or engine off , its on site without any authorisation , so is "parked" unless it drove round in circles for 49 minutes

    we can never understand why people think that not having left the vehicle is somehow a valid reason ! its either occupied or unoccupied but this has no relevance to the fact that the vehicle is on the site

    we hope this is won at popla but do not focus on the irrelevant , stick to the usual legal arguments that can sway a popla assessor

    see post #3 of the NEWBIES FAQ sticky thread for the relevant arguments which wont include 1) or 2) above

    and edit post #1 , it was THE DRIVER that was on site on the day and it was THE DRIVER that did not leave the vehicle

    THE KEEPER is the person who received the postal notice and appealed
    Last edited by Redx; 14-12-2017 at 8:22 PM.
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 14th Dec 17, 8:26 PM
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    • 14th Dec 17, 8:26 PM
    • #6
    • 14th Dec 17, 8:26 PM
    Thanks both for the advice, have edited the post to remove details of the driver (I think)
    Originally posted by Walaboobah
    No


    Go through it again to ensure that you haven't revealed who was driving - only the driver was surely??
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th Dec 17, 10:57 PM
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    • #7
    • 14th Dec 17, 10:57 PM
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    • 14th Dec 17, 10:57 PM
    "We now request this amount is paid using one of the payment methods described overleaf, If within 29 days we have not received full payment or driver details, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, we have the right, subject to the requirements of the Act, to recover the parking charge amount that remains unpaid from the keeper of the vehicle"
    I understand form other threads on Premier Park that this is an incorrect paragraph and we should be able to beat them at POPLA.
    No, that was the case a year or more ago.

    This was discussed on here only last week, and on pepipoo forum where I posted over a dozen links to lost POPLA cases v PP, where not a single poster had been stupid enough to pay anyway, at any point.

    Search the forum for the word 'Premier' on advanced search, and change to 'SHOW POSTS' on this board only. Not threads.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Walaboobah
    • By Walaboobah 19th Jan 18, 4:14 PM
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    • #8
    • 19th Jan 18, 4:14 PM
    • #8
    • 19th Jan 18, 4:14 PM
    OK, soft appeal rejected due to "No record of a permit could be found for the vehicle registration"

    Not sure this can be won but I will follow CMs advice above and have a look for Premier on advanced search!
    • Walaboobah
    • By Walaboobah 5th Feb 18, 4:04 PM
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    • #9
    • 5th Feb 18, 4:04 PM
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    • 5th Feb 18, 4:04 PM
    POPLA appeal submitted today
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