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    • azz007
    • By azz007 6th Dec 17, 6:40 PM
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    MINSTER PCN postal
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    • 6th Dec 17, 6:40 PM
    MINSTER PCN postal 6th Dec 17 at 6:40 PM
    So just to be clear this is not related to any other PCN threads i have.

    MINSTER BAYWATCH - These are seriously gettng on my nerves thibking they can just go round issuing these tickets. As keeper have recieved a PCN via post. However, the strange thing is, this was not a windcreen ticket or via an ANPR camera system.

    This was issued after someone(assuming a parking warden) has took pictures of the car and then issued the PCN and arrived by post. It has pictures of the car at the location it was parked,

    They MINSTER have no dealing here at the location of parking and all of a sudden put some signs up recently about no parking etc. Are they allowed to do this issue a PCN this way taking photos of the car with a handheld camera device to then issue a postal PCN.?

    See a copy of the letter recieved , it doesent state how long the driver was allegedly there for.
    hxxps://www.dropbox.com/sh/i72y9pjn7i6wvni/AACOHcTM4O6zHeU0KITH-m0oa?dl=0

    They are started to really get on my nerves and feel like hunting this warden down.
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 7th Dec 17, 4:56 PM
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    agreed

    as keeper you will dispute everything that you can , including poor and inadequate signage , no contract , no landowner authority , not the same as beavis , any POFA failures , any BPA CoP failures etc

    so all the usual suspects
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • azz007
    • By azz007 8th Dec 17, 9:50 AM
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    so went there at the site this morning waited around discreetly then this man in a white van pops up and booking tickets. booked one near the loading bay area at the exact spot

    i spoke to the him and said if one ticket is already in the post, how is the driver supposes to know to NOT park here and you guys just keep issuing more. wheres the logic and how is that fair to drivers.

    He said you got a point and said you can only appeal and maybe just acknowledge the 1st ticket of the lot. so i suspect as keeper of the vehicle , think a few more are on the way. Great (*sigh*)
    Last edited by azz007; 08-12-2017 at 11:11 AM.
    • azz007
    • By azz007 14th Dec 17, 6:33 PM
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    looking at the picture provided and the google overhead map it seems to be at the side of the mecca bingo to the left near the overhead ramp to the car park, whereas the pub is to the right of that ramp so unconnected. it actually looks like a loading bay area
    Originally posted by Redx
    right i sesne something fishy is going on here...as keeper its driving me mad.. with these minster tickets.
    Just had anothr in the post today 14th. Date of contravention 6th Dec, Issued on the 11th.

    on this again is done with a handheld device but it wasnt parked on their so called 'loading area' as the other ticekt,. This oocasion the driver was parked on the actual black tarmac bit. sort of public road.

    Also as keep when i went to the site last friday 8th, the man in white van said 'im not touching the car on the black tarmac' as its past the loading bay markings as u can see the color diffrenece. google maps will show this.. I only managed to get his Van Reg btw. he said difrent guys come on days........

    So now a ticket has been issued for being parked on the black tarmac bit . wth is going on?. I feel as the car is being trargeted standing out being a performance car or something maybe. they have the car reg in the syteem already so no chasing with DVLA to get details. so makes it easier for them. i have no other reason why to think they are constanlty issuing these tickets . AS keeper i am getting fed up.

    Can i complaint to BPA AND dvla ABOUT this behavior ? the guys didnt book that car which was parkled on the balck tarmac last firday as i was watching him ... is there anythign i can do or is it about only appealing. getting really frustarted now.
    Last edited by azz007; 14-12-2017 at 6:36 PM.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 14th Dec 17, 6:39 PM
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    if its private property they can do more or less what the landowner tells them , irrespective of the colour of the tarmac

    signage plays a part in these private contracts

    they would have to prove their case in small claims court , including maps and signage etc

    if however, that tarmac is the public road and maintained by oldham MBC then you have a case, so maybe see if the council can tell you if its private land or public highway

    these parking chimps dont get proper training so monkey see , monkey do, probably paid on commission for each ticket they hand out , so if in doubt , give a ticket and let head office sort it out

    I would have thought that by now you would know it is an unregulated industry , which is why they are called parking cowboys

    it is what it is, so if in doubt , DO NOT LET THE DRIVER PARK THERE ! (or it will keep happening ad infinitum)

    they are sending the keeper an invoice for their vehicle being parked there , its that simple , so read this

    https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/unknown_133991

    if this foolish driver parks there 260 times per annum (5 times per week) then they will receive 260 parking charge notice invoices (NTK`s) in the post
    Last edited by Redx; 14-12-2017 at 7:00 PM.
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • azz007
    • By azz007 14th Dec 17, 6:55 PM
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    if however, that tarmac is the public road and maintained by oldhma MBC then you have a case, so maybe see if the council can tell you if its private land or public highway
    Originally posted by Redx
    well the guy on friday didnt book or came back and booked the car later who knows. he even said thats the end of the loading bay. on the ticket today u can cleary see the car wasnt on the loading bay at all'
    it was because : F - Vehicle was not authorised to use the car park'

    so how does one get on this so called list are there any instructions , no.

    well luckily i work part of the council on a contract foranother ltd company so will email the highways department tomorrow

    Just found a street index around of oldham
    hxxps://www.oldham.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/1583/street_index_for_the_borough_of_oldham
    John Street is adopted by the coucnil - but will be tough determing who that little balck tarmac land belongs to as you drive into the entrance of the car park.
    • Redx
    • By Redx 14th Dec 17, 6:59 PM
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    and that is the point , their chimps might not know the difference so just issue a ticket anyway, not their problem, all down to head office to determine

    some companies have ticketed on public streets , they get away with it until the matter is raised in court or somebody takes a stand

    if they can , they will , proving it to the satisfaction of a judge is different , like those cases involving MRS SUNGLASSES and blogged about by parking prankster (Heath Parade ?)

    so it all depends how much you or the driver wish to prove who owns what or if you can prove they are ticketing on the public highway
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 14th Dec 17, 7:15 PM
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    they have the car reg in the syteem already so no chasing with DVLA to get details. so makes it easier for them.
    To issue a ticket legitimately they must acquire the keeper!!!8217;s details from the DVLA every time they do so.

    If you suspect this is not the case you write to the DVLA to ask how many times, and by whom, have your VRM details been acquired. Give the DVLA from/to dates that are sufficiently wide enough to cover all of the NtKs you!!!8217;ve been issued.

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/dvla-reverse-position-on-charging-to.html
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 14th Dec 17, 7:22 PM
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    as above, their KADOE contract with the DVLA means they have to pay for each and every "contravention" to get the keeper details

    they cannot "assume" its the same day after day, nor can they get it just the once and then apply it more than once

    so every time they ticket the keeper they have to have accessed those keeper details and pay the dvla their pound of flesh

    you are making assumptions instead of checking the facts of the matter

    yes they would "like" to get keeper details once and once only and then issue a dozen tickets , but the DVLA would suspend them and they would be in serious trouble if this was found to be the case as contractual fraud is a serious and probably criminal matter

    if this was found to be the case its likely that the BPA and the DVLA would suspend their membership and contracts , so the keeper can request those dates and see if they tie up with each and every NTK as a separate enquiry
    Last edited by Redx; 14-12-2017 at 7:24 PM.
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • azz007
    • By azz007 14th Dec 17, 9:11 PM
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    great advice guys, learning everyday and as spending more time on this forum..

    so do i email DVLA - who exactly - AOS DEPARTMENT? Also, shall i mention all the tickets in one email which the driver have recieved. ie the contravention dates and issue dates etc... to see how many times they have asked keeper details etc ...
    Last edited by azz007; 14-12-2017 at 11:35 PM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th Dec 17, 10:12 PM
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    David Dunford.

    Search the forum, he's mentioned often, with his email address. You can find him.

    Tell him your concerns and ask if your data was obtained more than once this year and by whom, and when (every date and reason and company requesting it).

    Do not say 'under FOI'. It's not.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • claxtome
    • By claxtome 14th Dec 17, 10:44 PM
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    I suggest an extra, to sending that email, to help get evidence of how many times the keeper details of your vehicle has been obtained is to send DVLA a Subject Access Request (SAR) via email to:
    SubjectAccess.Requests@dvla.gsi.gov.uk

    I would draft a letter and email it to them saying at least->
    I am registered keeper of XXX vehicle
    My name and address is YYY
    Please can you tell me who and when anyone has requested those details from DVLA since DD/MM/YY

    It is free and you should get your answer well before the maximum 40 working days giving you the proof you need.
    Last edited by claxtome; 14-12-2017 at 11:08 PM.
    • azz007
    • By azz007 14th Dec 17, 10:58 PM
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    I suggest an extra, to sending that email, to help get evidence of how many times the keeper details of your vehicle has been obtained is to send DVLA a Subject Access Request (SAR) via email to:
    SubjectAccess.Requests@dvla.gsi.gov.uk

    I would draft a letter and email it to them saying at least->
    I am registered keeper of XXX vehicle
    My name and address is YYY
    Please can you tell me who and when anyone has requested those details from DVLA since DD/MM/YY

    It is free and you should get your answer well before the maximum 40 working days giving you the proof you need.
    Originally posted by claxtome
    So to be clear do I SEND one email to David dunford and SAR together? Along with my concerns etc

    Also I need a response sooner than 40days as I have only have 28days to appeal them.
    Last edited by azz007; 14-12-2017 at 11:00 PM.
    • claxtome
    • By claxtome 14th Dec 17, 11:05 PM
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    So to be clear do I SEND one email to David dunford and SAR together? Along with my concerns etc
    2 entirely separate emails; 1 to David Dunford as per C-M suggests; and 1 as per my post.

    Didn't mean to confuse you.
    Also I need a response sooner than 40days as I have only have 28days to appeal them.
    The SAR request may come well before 28 days. It should not hold up any appeal. It is useful evidence regardless.
    Last edited by claxtome; 14-12-2017 at 11:10 PM. Reason: Further comment
    • claxtome
    • By claxtome 15th Dec 17, 5:43 AM
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    pappa golf has kindly provided a specimen SAR DVLA letter in post #3 of this thread->
    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=73568451&posted=1#3
    • azz007
    • By azz007 15th Dec 17, 10:14 AM
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    just out of curiosity how come 2 emails to two different departments?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 15th Dec 17, 10:17 AM
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    1 is a complaint the other a SAR
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 15th Dec 17, 10:23 AM
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    just out of curiosity how come 2 emails to two different departments?
    Originally posted by azz007
    Maybe this response to a FoI will help:

    How many departments exist in the DVLA at Swansea.

    How many people work in each department.

    What is the name of the departments and their function.

    The department titles and the headcount in each are given below as at 30 November 2014.
    Directorate Headcount

    Casework And Enforcement Group 1586
    Commercial Directorate 105
    Customer Enquiry Group 1033
    Customer Focus Group 105
    Digital Operations and Data Input 1959
    Financial Directorate 145
    Human Resources and Estates Directorate 199
    Information Technology Directorate 326
    Output Services Group 146
    Strategy Policy and Communications Directorate 222
    Grand Total 5826
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    • azz007
    • By azz007 15th Dec 17, 2:47 PM
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    1 is a complaint the other a SAR
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Who exactly is David Dunford, iv heard stories he doesn't even respond, Should i CC ccrt@dvla.gsi.gov.uk ?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Dec 17, 4:30 PM
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    David D does respond. I've emailed him several times myself.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 15th Dec 17, 4:34 PM
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    Who exactly is David Dunford, iv heard stories he doesn't even respond...
    Originally posted by azz007
    Really??

    Who from??
    .
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