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    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 4th Dec 17, 5:57 PM
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    Exit brexit?
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    • 4th Dec 17, 5:57 PM
    Exit brexit? 4th Dec 17 at 5:57 PM
    Proving to be a bit more difficult than imagined, isn’t it?

    We’re a special case. So is London, so is Scotland, so is Gibraltar.

    What’s the likelihood of it just not happening at all?
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    • thegirlsmum
    • By thegirlsmum 6th May 18, 8:44 PM
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    The referendum was advisory -- just to assess the mood of the nation. No one ever suggested that we were going to blindly leap into Brexit without properly considering the situation.

    No one had the faintest idea of what leaving the EU meant. Some leavers voted to leave to preserve their nationalist identity, some people wanted the EU to have fewer powers over British law, some wanted immigrants thrown out, others assumed free movement would be preserved.

    Every single Brexiteer seemed to have a completely different idea as to what Brexit should mean. Often holding contradictory views -- like staying in the EU trade union but also being allowed to strike our own trade
    The results of the referendum told us nothing about the democratic will of the people, which is why Brexit should be abandoned until we can work out what it is the people of the country actually want.
    Originally posted by esuhl
    I remember Cameron standing up and sayingthewre would be no going back, no second chances. So in my mind the result should stand, there should no deal, just walk.
    • RikM
    • By RikM 7th May 18, 10:01 PM
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    I remember Cameron (and others) saying the vote was advisory only... Maybe we should stick with that...?
    • x12yhp
    • By x12yhp 12th May 18, 8:20 AM
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    Id like to know the backgrounds of those who feel that way. They clearly don!!!8217;t work in businesses that depend on ease of export to Europe and unhindered border crossing. And to the divill with those of us who do.
    Many of those who voted leave of course have been disadvantaged by EU expansion.
    Perhaps if the EU had remained as just nine states or only expanded into Scandinavia and Austria, there would never have been a push for withdrawal. Too late to speculate.
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop
    My experience is that those who voted out tend to be most exposed to a bad deal. They are the ones getting handouts, of some form, and the ones lower down the employment chain. I read a story yesterday about real terms wages being massively squeezed and it’s these people most likely to be hit when profits drop. I have socialist leaning friends who disagree with this. Of course they don’t actually run businesses and deal with the finances so live in a utopian paradise where the boss takes a cut before everyone else...!
    Always overestimating...
    • saverbuyer
    • By saverbuyer 12th May 18, 10:51 AM
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    My experience is that those who voted out tend to be most exposed to a bad deal. They are the ones getting handouts, of some form, and the ones lower down the employment chain. I read a story yesterday about real terms wages being massively squeezed and it’s these people most likely to be hit when profits drop. I have socialist leaning friends who disagree with this. Of course they don’t actually run businesses and deal with the finances so live in a utopian paradise where the boss takes a cut before everyone else...!
    Originally posted by x12yhp
    It can work both way. I run a business. I've paid my lower level employees a living wage for about 8 years. I find it pays dividends. My experience is those that votes out do tend to be at the lower pay levels. It my particular industry, low cost labour had driven these wages down. I pay more, I'm happy to take less profit and still compete with those companies that use cheap labour. I'm not sure minimum wage employees are getting EU hand outs? Oh and I do live in the real world. My company accounts will be submitted this week and I can see my labour costs vs my competitors. I can also see my competitor's director salaries. I've no doubt every family member is buried in the detail somewhere too.
    • tara747
    • By tara747 22nd May 18, 5:04 PM
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    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/may/21/support-for-brexit-falls-sharply-in-northern-ireland
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    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 23rd May 18, 12:19 PM
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    I dont see the relevance or the point of their poll.

    The vote was taken, and is now being acted upon.

    And also "undermining the Democratic Unionist party’s continued staunch backing for Brexit." - there is no staunch baking for Brexit. It was a vote taken, the political parties are acting on the outcome.
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 23rd May 18, 5:55 PM
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    They voted Brexit to counter nationalists wishing to remain.
    Originally posted by x12yhp
    No Nationalist wished to remain.

    It is anti-Nationalist and anti-Republican to propose being governed by another power instead of the English. Republicans believe in Irish rule for Ireland. That is why all true Republicans supported Brexit.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 23rd May 18, 6:05 PM
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    No Nationalist wished to remain.

    It is anti-Nationalist and anti-Republican to propose being governed by another power instead of the English. Republicans believe in Irish rule for Ireland. That is why all true Republicans supported Brexit.
    Originally posted by Risteard
    Is this sarcasm or fantasy?
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
    • tara747
    • By tara747 29th May 18, 12:29 PM
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    No Nationalist wished to remain.

    It is anti-Nationalist and anti-Republican to propose being governed by another power instead of the English. Republicans believe in Irish rule for Ireland. That is why all true Republicans supported Brexit.
    Originally posted by Risteard

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    • RikM
    • By RikM 29th May 18, 2:00 PM
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    While no true unionist would be a Brexiteer, because they believe in being a part of something bigger....
    Er, hang on...
    • NineDeuce
    • By NineDeuce 29th May 18, 2:49 PM
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    One thing that can be 100% guaranteed. Hardly anybody will get the 'Brexit they voted for', because there were a million different versions simultaneously promised.

    So why dont Leavers just drop their egos and admit it was a bad idea?
    • tara747
    • By tara747 30th May 18, 2:16 PM
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    I remember Cameron standing up and sayingthewre would be no going back, no second chances. So in my mind the result should stand, there should no deal, just walk.
    Originally posted by thegirlsmum
    ...and then what?
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    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 1st Jun 18, 5:19 PM
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    Oh for heaven's sake - a 10 mile buffer zone along the border is the latest madcap idea to be suggested, according to the Sun ( so it's bound to be true). Doesn't Arlene live in lisbellaw? How long will it take her to throw that out?
    We need Kim and trump to sort this out.
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 1st Jun 18, 6:54 PM
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    So why dont Leavers just drop their egos and admit it was a bad idea?
    Originally posted by NineDeuce
    I dont.

    In the EU we were expected to pay a fortune every year yet were treated at best with mild contempt.

    Its like leaving an abusive relationship - its going to be hard at the time, but well worth it in the long run. Staying in it may be the easiest option but its not in your best interest.

    I'm looking forward to making the most of the opportunities Brexit will bring, i dont plan on sitting around complaining about the negatives as i dont think that helps anyone.

    Long term benefits not short term gains.
    Last edited by motorguy; 01-06-2018 at 7:01 PM.
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 2nd Jun 18, 8:19 AM
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    In the EU we were expected to pay a fortune every year yet were treated at best with mild contempt.

    And have open access to the most successful trading bloc ever.

    I'm looking forward to making the most of the opportunities Brexit will bring

    Me too. Smuggling seems so much easier than working.

    Long term benefits not short term gains.

    As soon as I can think of any I'll let you know. It's been two years and I'm still wondering.
    Last edited by qwert yuiop; 03-06-2018 at 1:12 PM.
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
    • RikM
    • By RikM 3rd Jun 18, 12:55 AM
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    I wish we could leave the abusive relationship... Unfortunately, all Brexit does is remove the safeguards and leave us at the mercy of the abusers (successive Tory governments).
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 3rd Jun 18, 5:31 PM
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    I wish we could leave the abusive relationship... Unfortunately, all Brexit does is remove the safeguards and leave us at the mercy of the abusers (successive Tory governments).
    Originally posted by RikM
    Now all those Catholics are going to be voting DUP, we're going to have to get used to it. Unless it's David Simpson running, of course.
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
    • BigAl94
    • By BigAl94 4th Jun 18, 8:03 PM
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    Nobody should underestimate the hell of a mess Theresa May (and the uk) is in now. A weak PM propped up only by a Northern Ireland extreme right wing protestant bigotted creationist and - I hesitate to use the word corrupt but each to their own opinions - party. It simply cannot end well and the Conserevatives know it.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 5th Jun 18, 9:25 AM
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    Nobody should underestimate the hell of a mess Theresa May (and the uk) is in now. A weak PM propped up only by a Northern Ireland extreme right wing protestant bigotted creationist and - I hesitate to use the word corrupt but each to their own opinions - party. It simply cannot end well and the Conserevatives know it.
    Originally posted by BigAl94
    I dont think it really matters. All the Tories need to do is win a few by elections and the dup will be dropped like a goalkeeper with concussion.
    “What means that trump?” Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
    • tara747
    • By tara747 6th Jun 18, 12:46 PM
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    I dont.

    In the EU we were expected to pay a fortune every year yet were treated at best with mild contempt.

    Its like leaving an abusive relationship - its going to be hard at the time, but well worth it in the long run. Staying in it may be the easiest option but its not in your best interest.

    I'm looking forward to making the most of the opportunities Brexit will bring, i dont plan on sitting around complaining about the negatives as i dont think that helps anyone.

    Long term benefits not short term gains.
    Originally posted by motorguy
    Can you elaborate on any of the opportunities or long-term benefits?
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