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    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 4th Dec 17, 5:57 PM
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    Exit brexit?
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    • 4th Dec 17, 5:57 PM
    Exit brexit? 4th Dec 17 at 5:57 PM
    Proving to be a bit more difficult than imagined, isnít it?

    Weíre a special case. So is London, so is Scotland, so is Gibraltar.

    Whatís the likelihood of it just not happening at all?
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    • thegirlsmum
    • By thegirlsmum 6th May 18, 8:44 PM
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    The referendum was advisory -- just to assess the mood of the nation. No one ever suggested that we were going to blindly leap into Brexit without properly considering the situation.

    No one had the faintest idea of what leaving the EU meant. Some leavers voted to leave to preserve their nationalist identity, some people wanted the EU to have fewer powers over British law, some wanted immigrants thrown out, others assumed free movement would be preserved.

    Every single Brexiteer seemed to have a completely different idea as to what Brexit should mean. Often holding contradictory views -- like staying in the EU trade union but also being allowed to strike our own trade
    The results of the referendum told us nothing about the democratic will of the people, which is why Brexit should be abandoned until we can work out what it is the people of the country actually want.
    Originally posted by esuhl
    I remember Cameron standing up and sayingthewre would be no going back, no second chances. So in my mind the result should stand, there should no deal, just walk.
    • RikM
    • By RikM 7th May 18, 10:01 PM
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    I remember Cameron (and others) saying the vote was advisory only... Maybe we should stick with that...?
    • x12yhp
    • By x12yhp 12th May 18, 8:20 AM
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    Id like to know the backgrounds of those who feel that way. They clearly don!!!8217;t work in businesses that depend on ease of export to Europe and unhindered border crossing. And to the divill with those of us who do.
    Many of those who voted leave of course have been disadvantaged by EU expansion.
    Perhaps if the EU had remained as just nine states or only expanded into Scandinavia and Austria, there would never have been a push for withdrawal. Too late to speculate.
    Originally posted by qwert yuiop
    My experience is that those who voted out tend to be most exposed to a bad deal. They are the ones getting handouts, of some form, and the ones lower down the employment chain. I read a story yesterday about real terms wages being massively squeezed and itís these people most likely to be hit when profits drop. I have socialist leaning friends who disagree with this. Of course they donít actually run businesses and deal with the finances so live in a utopian paradise where the boss takes a cut before everyone else...!
    Always overestimating...
    • saverbuyer
    • By saverbuyer 12th May 18, 10:51 AM
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    My experience is that those who voted out tend to be most exposed to a bad deal. They are the ones getting handouts, of some form, and the ones lower down the employment chain. I read a story yesterday about real terms wages being massively squeezed and itís these people most likely to be hit when profits drop. I have socialist leaning friends who disagree with this. Of course they donít actually run businesses and deal with the finances so live in a utopian paradise where the boss takes a cut before everyone else...!
    Originally posted by x12yhp
    It can work both way. I run a business. I've paid my lower level employees a living wage for about 8 years. I find it pays dividends. My experience is those that votes out do tend to be at the lower pay levels. It my particular industry, low cost labour had driven these wages down. I pay more, I'm happy to take less profit and still compete with those companies that use cheap labour. I'm not sure minimum wage employees are getting EU hand outs? Oh and I do live in the real world. My company accounts will be submitted this week and I can see my labour costs vs my competitors. I can also see my competitor's director salaries. I've no doubt every family member is buried in the detail somewhere too.
    • tara747
    • By tara747 22nd May 18, 5:04 PM
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    • motorguy
    • By motorguy 23rd May 18, 12:19 PM
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    I dont see the relevance or the point of their poll.

    The vote was taken, and is now being acted upon.

    And also "undermining the Democratic Unionist partyís continued staunch backing for Brexit." - there is no staunch baking for Brexit. It was a vote taken, the political parties are acting on the outcome.
    "We have normality. I repeat, we have normality. Anything you still can't cope with is therefore your own problem."
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 23rd May 18, 5:55 PM
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    They voted Brexit to counter nationalists wishing to remain.
    Originally posted by x12yhp
    No Nationalist wished to remain.

    It is anti-Nationalist and anti-Republican to propose being governed by another power instead of the English. Republicans believe in Irish rule for Ireland. That is why all true Republicans supported Brexit.
    • qwert yuiop
    • By qwert yuiop 23rd May 18, 6:05 PM
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    No Nationalist wished to remain.

    It is anti-Nationalist and anti-Republican to propose being governed by another power instead of the English. Republicans believe in Irish rule for Ireland. That is why all true Republicans supported Brexit.
    Originally posted by Risteard
    Is this sarcasm or fantasy?
    ďWhat means that trump?Ē Timon of Athens by William Shakespeare
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