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    • Smudge's Lot
    • By Smudge's Lot 3rd Dec 17, 3:03 PM
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    How to install new OS on SSD
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 3:03 PM
    How to install new OS on SSD 3rd Dec 17 at 3:03 PM
    I have a Dell Studio XPS 435 MT running Vista.....that I have just installed a Crucial BX300 SSD in, all fits and connects OK, but I bought a Win 7 Home premium USB from Fleabay, and wanted to know how to go about installing it on the SSD.

    My intention is to disconnect the primary HDD with Vista on it, reconfigure the BIOS to RAID and also, make the USB drive the first bootable drive, and go from there...

    Does that sound right?

    Don't really want to clone the HDD as will keep it anyway with all my data on, but use Win 7 from the SSD rather than Vista on the HDD. That should achieve a clean install shouldn't it?

    Thanks in advance!!!
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    • were
    • By were 3rd Dec 17, 3:31 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 3:31 PM
    Disconnect the drive from the pc. and replace it with the ssd. Google this model as it may work without turning on raid in the bios. Also read through Dell bios upgrades as they might be new dive tyoes and fixes there.

    Put the old drive in the usb. usb is slow. Or is the installation on usb?

    To boot from usb there is normally one key you can press that gives you a boot menu.

    Once all is installed and working then you can reintroduce the old disk - it is a safer way
    Last edited by were; 03-12-2017 at 3:37 PM.
    • Smudge's Lot
    • By Smudge's Lot 3rd Dec 17, 8:05 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 8:05 PM
    Win 7 is indeed just on a USB drive.
    So if I just swop the SATA cables over from the HDD to the SSD and disconnect the HDD, obviously the SSD will now be the primary drive.
    So if I start the computer up, will I be able to install straight from the USB?

    If USB is so slow, should I transfer the contents onto a DVDRW to use in the optical drive?

    Not many bios updates on DELL website for a 2009 machine!

    I believe that once installed that windows 7 will offer an option to ensure Trim is on the SSD?
    • were
    • By were 3rd Dec 17, 10:46 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 10:46 PM
    Win 7 is indeed just on a USB drive.
    So if I just swop the SATA cables over from the HDD to the SSD and disconnect the HDD, obviously the SSD will now be the primary drive.
    Originally posted by Smudge's Lot
    yup, you will probably get an error complaining about booting or not drive not formatted being a new disk.

    So if I start the computer up, will I be able to install straight from the USB?
    Maybe? on early systems booting from usb was no supported/recognised in the bios, so you may need a DVD. Most work.

    If USB is so slow, should I transfer the contents onto a DVDRW to use in the optical drive?
    for a one off it is not worth it. That age of system will probably only support usb2. If you need a permanent connection then you may want to buy a usb 3 card and hope the bios supports the card.

    Not many bios updates on DELL website for a 2009 machine!

    I believe that once installed that windows 7 will offer an option to ensure Trim is on the SSD?
    Windows 7 does support SSD but would check this is active after doing all the updates via google
    • A.Penny.Saved
    • By A.Penny.Saved 3rd Dec 17, 11:32 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 11:32 PM
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    • 3rd Dec 17, 11:32 PM
    It is AHCI you need to enable in the Bios if it is not already enabled. Swapping it afterwards is difficult but can be done. Therefore make sure you have it set the way that is most advantageous.

    Are there options to boot from USB on your PC? There are CD images which can enable USB booting but that adds a slow CD access.

    If you insert the USB flash drive into a USB port and then enter the Bios, usually the [DEL] key but might be different on a DELL.
    • toshi
    • By toshi 4th Dec 17, 3:46 PM
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    Hitting F12 during the dell screen to boot from the USB stick ?
    • AlwaysHere
    • By AlwaysHere 4th Dec 17, 4:32 PM
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    • 4th Dec 17, 4:32 PM
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    • 4th Dec 17, 4:32 PM
    How are you getting on?
    • Smudge's Lot
    • By Smudge's Lot 5th Dec 17, 1:33 PM
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    • 5th Dec 17, 1:33 PM
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    • 5th Dec 17, 1:33 PM
    Not done yet, as got studying to do and am sure the constant beeps would distract me, so will try next week when I have the time.
    There was an update to the BIOS on the Dell web site, and in the Boot menu, there is a USB option, and the Crucial SSD also shows despite not changing the BIOS settings to RAID yet....so, fingers crossed, it should be ok next week, will let all know!
    • Smudge's Lot
    • By Smudge's Lot 7th Jan 18, 4:40 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 4:40 PM
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    • 7th Jan 18, 4:40 PM
    All done and really easy!!
    Fully backed up my HDD, then disconnected it's power and SATA cable and connected both to the SSD. Started the computer, hit F2 to make the change to RAID for the SSD, then selected the Removable Device to boot first, (ie, the USB drive with Win 7 on it) and then off it went.
    All went really smoothly.
    I now have Win 7 Home Prem SP1 installed, though updates did take a couple of hours (over 240 updates..) My Vista had stopped updating a few years ago,(and well before MS stopped support!) so nice to know that updates work! Then I bought Office 2016 and that's gone on too!
    Considering another SSD soon, and possibly a USB3.0 PCI-E card for the back of the machine.

    Thanks for all the advice. Anybody else thinking of it, give it a go, or message me if you need to!
    Cheers, Happy New Year!!
    • Smudge's Lot
    • By Smudge's Lot 25th Jan 18, 3:50 PM
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    So the computer is all running well, but I am getting a screen pop up for approx 2 secs after the Dell start screen (optionsF2 etc) but before the Starting Windows screen. All works ok, but was curious about the screen.
    It says
    "Intel Matrix Storage Manager option ROM v8.5.0.1020 ICH10rR wRAID5
    RAID Volumes:
    None defined

    It then lists the SSD and my old HDD with serial number and size but the "Type/Status" shows in green "Non-RAID Disk"

    Press CTRL I to enter config utility.

    I did this just before today and it shows options to convert the disks to RAID. Seeing as everything is OK, should I leave it as is? Or convert the disks to RAID?
    Last edited by Smudge's Lot; 25-01-2018 at 5:19 PM.
    • molerat
    • By molerat 25th Jan 18, 4:51 PM
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    Not gone to W10 ? Still available for free apparently.
    www.helpforheroes.org.uk/donations.html
    • emptybox
    • By emptybox 25th Jan 18, 7:13 PM
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    So the computer is all running well, but I am getting a screen pop up for approx 2 secs after the Dell start screen (optionsF2 etc) but before the Starting Windows screen. All works ok, but was curious about the screen.
    It says
    "Intel Matrix Storage Manager option ROM v8.5.0.1020 ICH10rR wRAID5
    RAID Volumes:
    None defined

    It then lists the SSD and my old HDD with serial number and size but the "Type/Status" shows in green "Non-RAID Disk"

    Press CTRL I to enter config utility.

    I did this just before today and it shows options to convert the disks to RAID. Seeing as everything is OK, should I leave it as is? Or convert the disks to RAID?
    Originally posted by Smudge's Lot
    It's probably because you set the Sata mode to RAID in the BIOS, but then didn't configure a RAID set-up.

    Not sure why you set it to RAID in the first place?
    For an SSD it's advised to set the Sata mode to AHCI, as A.Penny.Saved said in an earlier post.

    Although setting it to RAID usually also enables AHCI (but not always), so the SSD will work fine, I don't see much point if you weren't wanting to set up your disks in a RAID array?
    You may have had your reasons though?

    https://www.techarp.com/bios-guide/sata-mode/

    Presuming there is the AHCI option in Sata mode in your BIOS, you could still now change to that.
    But better to follow this guide, to be on the safe side. Just in case AHCI isn't already enabled.
    https://triplescomputers.com/blog/uncategorized/solution-switch-windows-10-from-raidide-to-ahci-operation/

    You can check to see if you are properly running the AHCI driver by looking for references to it in Device manager.
    https://superuser.com/questions/757936/check-if-my-ssd-in-runing-on-ahci-mode-inside-windows-7


    ETA: Sorry for the long post, but I'm googling and learning at the same time.

    It seems that if there is no AHCI option in your BIOS, then some advice says to use RAID mode for your SSD, and configure it to RAID 0, which gives some performance boost over the alternative, which would be to use legacy IDE mode.
    https://serverfault.com/questions/471597/what-is-a-single-drive-raid-0-array
    Last edited by emptybox; 25-01-2018 at 7:41 PM.
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 26th Jan 18, 7:26 AM
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    EveryWhere
    So the computer is all running well, but I am getting a screen pop up for approx 2 secs after the Dell start screen (optionsF2 etc) but before the Starting Windows screen. All works ok, but was curious about the screen.
    It says
    "Intel Matrix Storage Manager option ROM v8.5.0.1020 ICH10rR wRAID5
    RAID Volumes:
    None defined

    It then lists the SSD and my old HDD with serial number and size but the "Type/Status" shows in green "Non-RAID Disk"

    Press CTRL I to enter config utility.

    I did this just before today and it shows options to convert the disks to RAID. Seeing as everything is OK, should I leave it as is? Or convert the disks to RAID?
    Originally posted by Smudge's Lot
    Do nothing.

    But;

    Confirm TRIM is enabled in Win 7
    Start> All Programs> Accessories> Right click Command Prompt, select "Run as Administrator"
    At the command prompt type:
    fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify

    Press the Enter key. Two results are possible:

    DisableDeleteNotify = 0: This indicates that TRIM is enabled and working on the operating system.
    DisableDeleteNotify = 1: This means that TRIM is not enabled
    • EveryWhere
    • By EveryWhere 26th Jan 18, 7:43 AM
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    In addition, there may be some Driver updates available. Namely the Intel® Rapid Storage Technology Driver

    https://communities.intel.com/thread/111811


    https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/24345/Intel-Driver-Support-Assistant
    • Smudge's Lot
    • By Smudge's Lot 26th Jan 18, 1:23 PM
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    Yes Trim is indeed set to 0, several sites suggested that the Win 7 set up would automatically detect the SSD and set it to 0 by default.

    In my BIOS, I only have ATA or RAID as options. But how do I set it to RAID0?
    • toshi
    • By toshi 26th Jan 18, 2:07 PM
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    toshi
    At 2018, SSD became a standard (hopefully!) You don't have to do anything for SSD setup. After Windows 7, Ubuntu 14.04, SSDs will be automatically recognised (optimised) by OS

    https://www.howtogeek.com/256859/dont-waste-time-optimizing-your-ssd-windows-knows-what-its-doing/

    I have used SSDs for a couple of years, I used to spend a lot of time for so-called SSD optimisation stuff (No swap file, disable indexing, TRIM etc etc.. ) But I concluded we really don't fuss about these optimasation. (Maybe good idea to follow SSD manufacturers instruction.)

    Sandisk SSD Dashboard said, my total written is just over 4TB, and Media Wear Out Indicator shows only 1.43%, That means I can use my Sandisk X110 for more than 100 years ? lol



    Even you use the IDE mode with an SSD, but this is still much faster than a SATA HARD DISK. (I actually used to use an IDE mode, and I really didn't bother to change to AHCI mode until I actually ran the benchmark test lol. Yes, I can tell the difference marginally between IDE and AHCI mode when I use my computer, but not that much as the benchmark shows)

    Even you are not a geek kind of person, just get an SSD, you will be amazed. No worry! Just enjoy your blazingly faster SSD.

    Don't forget make a regular backup as your SSD will be dead tomorrow!!
    Last edited by toshi; 27-01-2018 at 10:50 AM. Reason: minor correction
    • emptybox
    • By emptybox 27th Jan 18, 12:50 AM
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    emptybox
    Yes Trim is indeed set to 0, several sites suggested that the Win 7 set up would automatically detect the SSD and set it to 0 by default.

    In my BIOS, I only have ATA or RAID as options. But how do I set it to RAID0?
    Originally posted by Smudge's Lot
    I don't think you can set up RAID now you have an OS installed, as it would clear all data from the disk.
    Trim wouldn't work in IDE mode, so you are probably better off staying in RAID mode.

    If the message bothers you, and you wanted to start from scratch, here's a video of someone setting up a RAID 0 array.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgo0OPSw9_E
    (obviously your BIOS may be slightly different)
    • AlwaysHere
    • By AlwaysHere 27th Jan 18, 9:44 AM
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    Yes Trim is indeed set to 0, several sites suggested that the Win 7 set up would automatically detect the SSD and set it to 0 by default.

    In my BIOS, I only have ATA or RAID as options. But how do I set it to RAID0?
    Originally posted by Smudge's Lot
    Don't bother. Just check for Intel Driver updates.
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