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    • re14796
    • By re14796 29th Nov 17, 7:34 PM
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    Is the EU being unfair on the UK?
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    • 29th Nov 17, 7:34 PM
    Is the EU being unfair on the UK? 29th Nov 17 at 7:34 PM
    The EU has said banks who are based in the UK will have to move to the EU to continue trading after brexit. The EMA advised pharmaceutical organisations will have to set up an EU base. Airlines will have to set up an EU to continue flying into Europe. Why don't we do the same and tell organisations based in Europe they will have to move to the UK? When PM May said we could use our security services as part of the deal, everyone criticise her but now EU have told us we need to leave Europol.
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    • societys child
    • By societys child 29th Nov 17, 8:34 PM
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    Our comrades in Brussels don't want others to think they can leave easily, so of course they will do and say anything to make it look as difficult as possible.

    The Germans wont want us buy their cars, the French their wine and fruit, same with Spain. The Italians, their furniture, fruit and footwear, the list is endless, just a small example of what we import from the wonderful soviet EU. Oh hang on . . . maybe they need us far more then we need them.
    Last edited by societys child; 29-11-2017 at 8:39 PM.

    • pogofish
    • By pogofish 29th Nov 17, 9:21 PM
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    What on earth did people expect? - There was no way we could ever leave the EU without it putting-up barriers and carving-off its very generous kilo of flesh.

    The idea that we could leave but seamlessly retain all the benefits of membership was one of the biggest porkies so far told!
    • Twopints
    • By Twopints 29th Nov 17, 9:30 PM
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    • 29th Nov 17, 9:30 PM
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    • 29th Nov 17, 9:30 PM
    What on earth did people expect? - There was no way we could ever leave the EU without it putting-up barriers and carving-off its very generous kilo of flesh.

    The idea that we could leave but seamlessly retain all the benefits of membership was one of the biggest porkies so far told!
    Originally posted by pogofish
    Indeed. Why are people whingeing about the inevitable consequences of their informed decision?
    Not even wrong
    • melanzana
    • By melanzana 29th Nov 17, 9:40 PM
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    Day by day entities are going, going, gone.

    EMA
    EBA
    Chatter about Europol and EAWs

    And I am sure there will be more to come.

    It's a domino effect when you leave a club, and membership benefits are taken away.
    • Art Vandelay
    • By Art Vandelay 30th Nov 17, 12:17 AM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 12:17 AM
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    Day by day entities are going, going, gone.

    EMA
    EBA
    Chatter about Europol and EAWs

    And I am sure there will be more to come.

    It's a domino effect when you leave a club, and membership benefits are taken away.
    Originally posted by melanzana
    All very well, but what about HS2 then? this is an EU requirement, not a UK one, which is to extend the Trans European railway network, and was originally discussed by the EU and defined in EU directives more than 20 years ago. How much is that if we decide to pull the plug? in excess of £56 billion?
    • Kosher Kid
    • By Kosher Kid 30th Nov 17, 8:32 AM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 8:32 AM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 8:32 AM
    All very well, but what about HS2 then? this is an EU requirement, not a UK one, which is to extend the Trans European railway network, and was originally discussed by the EU and defined in EU directives more than 20 years ago. How much is that if we decide to pull the plug? in excess of £56 billion?
    Originally posted by Art Vandelay
    Maybe the EU will contribute as part of the divorce settlement, or is it a one way street?
    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 30th Nov 17, 8:46 AM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 8:46 AM
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    They look like they are being fair to me.
    We are leaving so they are bringing the industry back inside their borders.
    Countries have been queuing up to have the banks and financial exchanges based in their country.
    It was always going to be a consequence of leaving the EU that we would end up massively worse off.

    I guess it depends on what field you work in to when you start seeing consequences, the fields that I work in have already started to lose researchers from universities to germany.
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • newatc
    • By newatc 30th Nov 17, 8:52 AM
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    I agree the EU has come over as obnoxious but what matters is the final agreement not the negotiating war. In no one's interest to have ongoing disharmony.
    • bap98189
    • By bap98189 30th Nov 17, 9:01 AM
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    The EU has said banks who are based in the UK will have to move to the EU to continue trading after brexit. The EMA advised pharmaceutical organisations will have to set up an EU base. Airlines will have to set up an EU to continue flying into Europe. Why don't we do the same and tell organisations based in Europe they will have to move to the UK? When PM May said we could use our security services as part of the deal, everyone criticise her but now EU have told us we need to leave Europol.
    Originally posted by re14796
    What did people expect? Believe it or not, there are actually benefits to being a member of the EU. We are leaving, we can hardly expect to continue to have free access to these things.

    If we wish to setup our own set of standards for say pharmaceuticals, and then insist that any company wishing to sell to the UK market must adhere to them, then we are free to do so, but all that will cost money. Many of these costs are currently shared amongst the EU states by having a centralised agency to deal with it. Once we leave, we either need to negotiate continued access to these things, or setup our own version of each one.
    • Redknapps Dog
    • By Redknapps Dog 30th Nov 17, 9:34 AM
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    Is the EU being obnoxious? At times, yes.
    IS it being unfair? Not really, you leave an organisation you cannot by definition maintain the same benefits as full membership.
    • Judi
    • By Judi 30th Nov 17, 10:38 AM
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    Is the EU being obnoxious? At times, yes.
    IS it being unfair? Not really, you leave an organisation you cannot by definition maintain the same benefits as full membership.
    Originally posted by Redknapps Dog
    Totally agree, what did we expect?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-europol-michel-barnier-speech-kicked-out-european-police-cooperation-eu-benefits-amber-rudd-a8082081.html
    Last edited by Judi; 30-11-2017 at 10:55 AM.
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    • DCodd
    • By DCodd 30th Nov 17, 1:02 PM
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    To be fair, none of that precludes cooperation between the EU and the UK, not even access to the European arrest warrant or a variation of it. It just means that the UK may get access via alternative routes, not least Interpol. It's not in the EU's best interest to seek open boarders between Ireland and N.I. and Gibraltar and Spain without some reasonably close working relationships with the UK's Security forces.
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    • colinw
    • By colinw 30th Nov 17, 4:19 PM
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    Did we not decide to leave? why should we remain part of the bits we fancy? The Country made a ridiculous decision based on the lies of a few grubby politicians so they have to get on with it....we are stuck with it now unless someone sees some common sense and puts an end to it all that is
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