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    • Will of the forest
    • By Will of the forest 29th Nov 17, 12:43 PM
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    Anyone content with storage heaters?
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    • 29th Nov 17, 12:43 PM
    Anyone content with storage heaters? 29th Nov 17 at 12:43 PM
    My wife and I are about to move in to our first home and it has no gas so its got the dreaded night storage heaters. Neither of us have lived in a property with out gas before so we're a little worried about how warm it'll be. Ive only really heard and read negative things about them so my question is, is there anyone out there who lives in a reasonably warm house with reasonable electric bills from a regular supply?
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    • WobblyDog
    • By WobblyDog 29th Nov 17, 1:06 PM
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    I've had them in the past, I think they are an acceptable alternative to gas central heating for at least some people. They are probably best for people who don't mind the house being a bit cool at times.


    The main disadvantage I found is that the only heat available in the evening is the heat that was stored up the previous night. On the other hand, overnight electricity prices are low. They also have much lower maintenance requirements than gas central heating.
    • AbbieCadabra
    • By AbbieCadabra 29th Nov 17, 1:27 PM
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    • 29th Nov 17, 1:27 PM
    i'm just looking into them at the moment as we're looking for an alternative for our incredibly badly installed underfloor heating throughout our new build apartment. it's costing us an absolute fortune to run & is almost impossible to control any room to an ambient temp, the builder will be paying for whatever alternative we find. we're not connected for gas & oil or lpg won't be an option, i've ruled out ceramic filled heaters & think we've only got storage heaters on econ7/10 as an option left now.

    some basic info here from sustainable energy
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    • By Torry Quine 29th Nov 17, 1:40 PM
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    Satisfied user here. Keep the house warm enough without using the boost most of the time. When it's exceptionally cold the boost is needed.
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    • lstar337
    • By lstar337 29th Nov 17, 3:45 PM
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    They're fine if they are the correct size for the room. If you find they are running out of heat early, then they are too small for the space.

    When all things are considered they are close to Gas in terms of cost, but they don't have the flexibility. It takes a little extra work, but you are rewarded with a home that is warm almost all of the day.

    The bonus with E7 is that you also get a glut of hot water at a cheap price point, and the ability to move some of your usage over night to make even more savings.
    • Richie-from-the-Boro
    • By Richie-from-the-Boro 29th Nov 17, 7:52 PM
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    • 29th Nov 17, 7:52 PM
    "dreaded night storage heaters" not dreaded for me 35 years + in two different dwellings - love it ! - Whole Year Cost Check on 16th August 2017 :

    - Day 2,455 kWh !!!8756; 41.87% Day
    - Night 5,864 kWh !!!8756; 58.13% Night
    - Total-pa 8,319 kWh

    An average of 20-21C in the winter one big 3.4kW and one middle sized 2.5kW NSH thats a total of 23.8 + 17.8kWh or 41.6kWh of stored heat. That 41.6kWh of stored heat is available for release over the next 17 day hours or the equivalent of a 2.44kW fire at full output for those 17 hours.

    Learn how to use them properly, make sure you have enough total storage capacity of the cheaper electricity or you will end up using 'on demand 13a heat at 30% more expensive, and keep your output control closed tight forever -:

    Last edited by Richie-from-the-Boro; 04-12-2017 at 9:28 PM. Reason: Put in exact % figures relevant to Ebico applicants
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    • Scilly
    • By Scilly 1st Dec 17, 10:17 AM
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    I'm really struggling with mine! I'm sat here right now very very cold! I have NSH from the mid-80s, they have an 'auto-set control' dial (on 2) & 'room temperature' dial (on 1).
    I'm on Eco7 & so far today have used 43.60kWh/ 2.98, I tend to get up around the 3.60 area in the late evening. The money wouldn't be an issue if I wasn't sat here wearing gloves, jumper, cardigan & scarf... still cold! (sometimes I do star jumps just to get my appendages warm!)
    Not been here very long so might be using them incorrectly. Any advice from a satisfied customer would be greatly appreciated!
    • Richie-from-the-Boro
    • By Richie-from-the-Boro 1st Dec 17, 10:34 AM
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    Turn them up.
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    • Scilly
    • By Scilly 1st Dec 17, 10:48 AM
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    Richie,

    Given you said "Learn how to use them properly and keep your output control closed tight forever".....which one do I turn up? or both?

    Thanks
    • Richie-from-the-Boro
    • By Richie-from-the-Boro 1st Dec 17, 11:30 AM
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    Look its a tin of cheap heat, how hot it gets and how long it stays hot depends on how much you fill it up and how quickly you empty it. Turn the damper off completely and the input to full you will then fill heat you room for 30% less money than the panel heaters.

    Output (convection) is bad, it warms ceilings and seagulls. Radiation is good it warms people and things.

    Which of your controls is which I've no idea, send us a photo and we will tell you. Best of luck.
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    • Richie-from-the-Boro
    • By Richie-from-the-Boro 4th Dec 17, 9:32 PM
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    Richie,

    Given you said "Learn how to use them properly and keep your output control closed tight forever".....which one do I turn up? or both?

    Thanks
    Originally posted by Scilly
    Turn the input to full and the output to zero and leave it that way for a couple of days / nights. Does that help ?
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    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 5th Dec 17, 8:28 AM
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    The idea is to ensure that the heater gets filled with cheap energy during the off peak times, so make sure that the input is set close to max.

    You then want all that stored energy to be released slowly during the day so that there's still enough left for the evening, so make sure that the output damper is closed overnight and all of the day so you dont lose all the heat in one go.

    It's really important that the damper is closed overnight otherwise the unit wont store enough heat for the next day. You need to make sure that the input is set high enough to store a days worth of heat.

    The casing should be hot in the mornings and remain relatively hot nearly all day - if it doesn't then you've not stored enough heat, you've let it out too quickly or the heater isn't big enough (quite often the main problem)
    Last edited by matelodave; 05-12-2017 at 8:31 AM.
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    • Trivia
    • By Trivia 24th Feb 18, 10:20 PM
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    I too am moving to a Bungalow with NSH but they're old and ugly I'd like to replace them can anyone recommend a make and model ? Read bad reviews about the fancy German ones so not what to choose please help !
    • CashStrapped
    • By CashStrapped 24th Feb 18, 10:34 PM
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    I too am moving to a Bungalow with NSH but they're old and ugly I'd like to replace them can anyone recommend a make and model ? Read bad reviews about the fancy German ones so not what to choose please help !
    Originally posted by Trivia
    Dear oh dear - when will people learn.....

    Any "fancy german ones" are a rip off.

    All electric heaters are 100% efficient. So go ahead and buy fancy germans ones at 900-2000 a pop (whatever the salesman manages to get out of you).

    They will put out the same heat as a similar rated B&Q electric heater costing only 50.

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    All these heaters use day time electric. So they will cost nearly double to run than a night storage heater will.

    A night storage heater is the cheapest way to heat an all electric property!

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    Also ignore any marketing claims about "clay core" "soapstone core" "custard core".

    All the material inside does is determine how fast or slow heat is released.

    The denser the material, the longer it takes to heat up and conversely the longer it will stay hot after the heater is turned off. A special core does not make it more efficient.

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    If you want the ultimate in convenience and probably add value to the property at the same time. Save any money you planned to spend on "fancy german heaters" and investigate the costs of installing gas central heating. If the cost is a bit more, put the money aside that you would have spend and save up.
    Last edited by CashStrapped; 24-02-2018 at 10:54 PM.
    • matelodave
    • By matelodave 24th Feb 18, 10:59 PM
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    Generally if it's got a clay core, oil filled, magic dust, liquid gold or other secret or exotic filling then it is generallynot a storage heater, it's just a very expensive radiator that runs on peak rate leccy and heats on demand. They do not charge up overnight on off peak energy.

    They may look prettier and cost 10-20 times as much but they wont keep you any warmer and wont save you any money compared with a similarly rated 30 oil filled radiator from Argos despite what the glossy brochure or silver tongued salesman says.
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    • john1
    • By john1 24th Feb 18, 11:49 PM
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    I have had NS heaters for around 50 years in three different properties and am completely satisfied.

    We are now on Eon heatwise (E10) tariff

    I use the Sector brand of automatic NS heaters which are almost identical to other uk brands but cost less.

    You may need proper advise as to correct heater sizing and location.

    Separate wiring will be needed to be installed around your home to ensure your heaters only get charged in the low cost electricity periods, controlled by the electric meter not a seperate time switch

    Also make sure you position correctly ie NOT under window or on external wall but against internal wall.

    NS heaters have no ongoing annual maintenance cost that saves around 400 per year over gas or oil alone

    As others have said, close boost control on heater and leave closed

    Set input to max to fully charge heater initially and warm up house fabric then adjust input control to 2/3 and leave alone for the season there should be no need to keep adjusting .

    Basically switch on in autumn and forget until summer.

    As your home internal walls warm up through the constant HS heat you will fine the external weather temperatures hardly affect the internal room temperature.

    Currently just checked lounge temperature and is 22.4c time 2215hrs
    • Trivia
    • By Trivia 25th Feb 18, 3:30 PM
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    Ok but what storage heater do I buy ? Make and model please and likely stockists ! Thanx
    • Trivia
    • By Trivia 25th Feb 18, 3:33 PM
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    Re previous post I mean Night Storage Heaters
    • john1
    • By john1 25th Feb 18, 10:38 PM
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    Sector Storage Heaters are stocked by WF Senate Electrical Wholesalers Branches throughout UK see http://wfsenate.co.uk/

    A competent local electrician should be able to source and install for you.

    Dimplex offer a individual room or whole house heating design service on the following link https://www.dimplex.co.uk/heat-design-team

    Naturally they will offer design around the Dimplex range but if you stick to simple automatic night storage heaters design you can easily convert to other UK storage heaters
    • Trivia
    • By Trivia 26th Feb 18, 1:14 PM
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    Thank you John1
    Went to Senate alas no branch near me (Devon)
    Will try link to Dimplex tho
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