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    • Branski1874
    • By Branski1874 27th Nov 17, 2:14 PM
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    First time poster re Parking Charge Notice
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    • 27th Nov 17, 2:14 PM
    First time poster re Parking Charge Notice 27th Nov 17 at 2:14 PM
    Hi
    Hoping someone can help?
    Received the above recently for 'parking' in prohibited area in an airport in England (we live in Scotland). We had used the airport car park and because our child has a condition so can't walk far, they were picked up nearer to terminal building and photo is of them getting in the car. Letter does not look official and asks for £100 or £60 now. Having read the forum it seems we should ignore and complain to retailer & DVLA? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Sorry if this has already been answered.
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 27th Nov 17, 2:21 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 2:21 PM
    read the advice for SCOTLAND in the newbies sticky thread

    there is no keeper liability in scotland , so being in scotland seems to be of more relevance than any other issue

    chances are its from VCS or APCOA and so its not "dubious" , but part of a money making sc@m where bylaws apply and is well documented on here , on tv , in the papers , and on parking pranksters blogsite
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Branski1874
    • By Branski1874 27th Nov 17, 4:02 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 4:02 PM
    Thanks
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    • 27th Nov 17, 4:02 PM
    It is from UK PPO. Is it worth complaining to them, airport or DVLA? or best ignore?
    • Redx
    • By Redx 27th Nov 17, 4:05 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 4:05 PM
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    • 27th Nov 17, 4:05 PM
    I dont think you will get anywhere with UKPPO for Newcastle ? airport

    or the dvla , or the IPC , or the airport , or anyone else

    as keeper you have no liability , they do not know who was driving

    for Scotland we always advise KEEPERS to ignore

    do not reveal who was driving
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Branski1874
    • By Branski1874 23rd Oct 18, 10:21 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 18, 10:21 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 18, 10:21 PM
    Quick update on this, all went quiet but last week got a text message from BWlegal. Not sure how they got my number? Then got a letter from uk parking patrol office ‘your account has been passed to our legal team’, and in same envelope a letter from BWlegal ‘we have been instructed by uk parking patrol office limited in relation to the balance due for the above PCN’. What action should I take?
    • Redx
    • By Redx 23rd Oct 18, 10:26 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 18, 10:26 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 18, 10:26 PM
    if the BW LEGAL letter is an official LBC with 30 days notice and the financial forms, then issue an LBC rebuttal

    if its a debt letter demanding money with menaces, IGNORE it (them)

    then come back if the official LBC or an MCOL arrives in the post
    Last edited by Redx; 23-10-2018 at 10:36 PM.
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • twhitehousescat
    • By twhitehousescat 23rd Oct 18, 10:28 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 18, 10:28 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 18, 10:28 PM
    at the moment BW are fishing , dont play with them , ignore them , if they want to start a claim for a airport in england they will do

    UPPPo have issued over 30,000 tickets in the last 3 yrs , how many times have they tried court in ENGLAND http://www.parkingappeals.info/companydata/UK_Parking_Patrol_Office.html
    Time pretending I was asleep whilst under his desk , has given me insight to this sordid world
    • Branski1874
    • By Branski1874 23rd Oct 18, 10:34 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 18, 10:34 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 18, 10:34 PM
    Appreciate the quick reply. Excuse my ignorance but was is a LBC?
    • Redx
    • By Redx 23rd Oct 18, 10:37 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 18, 10:37 PM
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    • 23rd Oct 18, 10:37 PM
    acronyms are in the newbies faq sticky thread , post #5


    surely you have read it by now ? (ie:- you have been here almost a year)


    bear in mind that things may be different in Scotland, you have your own legal system, including the SIMPLE PROCEDURES
    Last edited by Redx; 23-10-2018 at 10:39 PM.
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • Branski1874
    • By Branski1874 23rd Oct 18, 10:43 PM
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    Was up to speed a year ago so will have a revisit, thanks
    • Branski1874
    • By Branski1874 23rd Oct 18, 11:33 PM
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    It is not a Letter Before Claim, will come back if they issue LBC, thanks for replies
    • Branski1874
    • By Branski1874 9th Nov 18, 3:01 PM
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    Further help please
    Now received “letter of claim” from BWlegal. “We have been instructed by... to commence legal action in the form of issuing a claim against you in the county court....”
    What action should I take?
    Thanks in advance.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 10th Nov 18, 10:10 AM
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    Are you sure this is a LBCCA?


    Does it have forms included with it for you to return? (Don't do so!!)


    How long does it give you to pay?


    If you are sure, then refer to the newbies faq #2 for advice on how to deal with this


    That post advises on Court claims right through from the LBCCA to the hearing
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 10th Nov 18, 10:35 AM
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    If this gets to the point of them trying to issue a MCOL Claim, the CCBC should spot the Scotland address and turn it away.

    Should it by chance miss that scrutiny, you respond to it and 'contest jurisdiction'.
    Last edited by Umkomaas; 10-11-2018 at 11:01 AM.
    Please note, we are not a legal, residential or credit advice forum, rather one that helps motorists fight private parking charges, primarily at the 'front-end' of the process.
    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 10th Nov 18, 10:55 AM
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    For how much are they claiming? The usual amount, based on current regulations, should not rxceed £200, including all costs. If it is for more, they are trying to claim for more than the law allows, fraud imo. They are aware of this, but try anyway as many people feel intimidated by solicitor's letters.

    If they are claiming for too much complain to their regulatory body, the SRA

    http://www.sra.org.uk/home/home.page

    also to your MP.

    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of alleged contracts for alleged parking offences, aided and abetted by a handful of low-rent solicitors.

    Parking Eye, CPM, Smart, and others have already been named and shamed in the House of Commons as have Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each week, hospital car parks and residential complex tickets have been especially mentioned. They lose most of them, and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P. for unprofessional conduct

    The problem has become so widespread that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. It has even been suggested that some of these companies have links with organised crime.

    Watch the video of the Second Reading and committee stage in the House of Commons recently. MPs have a very low opinion of this industry.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2018-07-19/debates/2b90805c-bff8-4707-8bdc-b0bfae5a7ad5/Parking(CodeOfPractice)Bill(FirstSitting)

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind they will be out of business by in the not too distant future..
    Last edited by The Deep; 10-11-2018 at 10:58 AM.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Branski1874
    • By Branski1874 10th Nov 18, 11:22 AM
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    Are you sure this is a LBCCA?


    Does it have forms included with it for you to return? (Don't do so!!)


    How long does it give you to pay?


    If you are sure, then refer to the newbies faq #2 for advice on how to deal with this


    That post advises on Court claims right through from the LBCCA to the hearing
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Thanks for that. Went through #2 post newbies q&a and post “letter of claim from bw legal” has link to Dropbox is the same style letter of claim which I have received. It seems to be akin to LBC. Now that post suggested a strong reply but I see “don’t pay but don’t ignore unless you live in Scotland...” I do so advice seems to be ignore?

    They are looking for circa 240 and about 39 days to pay. The forms enclosed are annex 1 information sheet, reply form and income & expenditure form.
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 10th Nov 18, 11:26 AM
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    Yes, that is a LBCCA.


    See the reply at #14 above
    • Branski1874
    • By Branski1874 10th Nov 18, 11:28 AM
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    If this gets to the point of them trying to issue a MCOL Claim, the CCBC should spot the Scotland address and turn it away.

    Should it by chance miss that scrutiny, you respond to it and 'contest jurisdiction'.
    Originally posted by Umkomaas
    Thanks. What is CCBC, I couldn’t find it on list of acronyms on newbies q&a post?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 10th Nov 18, 11:33 AM
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    Try Google


    (The FAQ acronyms explains those we use here, not all in circulation!)
    • Branski1874
    • By Branski1874 10th Nov 18, 11:41 AM
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    Yes, that is a LBCCA.


    See the reply at #14 above
    Originally posted by Quentin
    Ok thanks, contest jurisdiction presumably by letter when MCOL claim issued
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