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    • MSE Karl
    • By MSE Karl 27th Nov 17, 2:13 PM
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    MSE Karl
    MSE Poll: If you could cancel Christmas, would you?
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    • 27th Nov 17, 2:13 PM
    MSE Poll: If you could cancel Christmas, would you? 27th Nov 17 at 2:13 PM
    Poll started 28 November 2017

    If you could cancel Christmas, would you?

    Christmas is nearly here. For some it conjures a picture of family, fun and festive frivolity; for others it means stress, present pressure, debt and chores.

    So if you had a CANCEL CHRISTMAS button that'd make the whole thing disappear (and just add days to your holiday entitlement), would you press it?



    Did you vote? Are you surprised at the results so far? Have your say below. To see the results from last time, click here.

    If you haven!!!8217;t already, join the forum to reply.

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    Last edited by MSE Karl; 28-11-2017 at 3:24 PM.
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    • expeditionist
    • By expeditionist 29th Nov 17, 10:26 PM
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    expeditionist
    3rd year I know of that MSE have polled this same question - are the answers evolving each year?

    • aj23
    • By aj23 30th Nov 17, 12:41 PM
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    aj23
    What a bunch of scrooges, wanting to cancel Christmas. No doubt it will be because it is offensive to 6 people out of 65 million.
    • minislim
    • By minislim 30th Nov 17, 12:43 PM
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    minislim
    not surprised really about the results. its just got out of hand.
    i love Christmas. but year on year its getting earlier and earlier. it ruins the day with such a long lead up to it.

    its also now getting a bit silly with all the daft adult advent calender's. most of which seem to be alcohol based.

    at a time when the government/shadow government is concerned about how much people are consuming.

    just gives them yet another excuse for trying to tax alcohol!

    ban everything christmas at least until December the 1st!
    • rinabean
    • By rinabean 30th Nov 17, 5:26 PM
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    rinabean
    What a bunch of scrooges! And it's hardly anti-christian persecution, it's always historically been the people who most think christmas needs to be about Jesus who are most eager to ban it after all.

    I know some people who don't "do" christmas but they still have a small christmas dinner and watch the telly and have a nice day. Even people of other religions or christian denominations who don't celebrate christmas (though I wouldn't accuse any of them of being scrooges anyway). I know everyone on here is knitting their own lentils and/or stretching one chicken to provide an entire year of dinners for their family of 15 but this is a special level of meanness! And it's completely unrepresentative of the attitudes in the country, which is odd to me - a lot of polls on here have an unusual skew because of the kinds of people who are here and answering, but I can't remember another one where the people answering are so unlike the people on the street. Half of people in this country don't want christmas banned, so I wonder why half the people on here do - it's interesting but I hope it is more than meanness!
    • waynehelliwell
    • By waynehelliwell 30th Nov 17, 8:04 PM
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    Cancel CHRISTmas???? Bah Humbug!
    I am utterly amazed at the amount of people who say they would cancel Christmas.
    After all Jesus went through and suffered for ALL people and then some say they would cancel Christmas?
    Unbelievable, Thank you Jesus for all you have done.
    I for one would NEVER cancel Christmas.
    • Murphybear
    • By Murphybear 2nd Dec 17, 7:01 AM
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    Murphybear
    I just wish they would cancel Xmas until December.
    Originally posted by badmemory
    I agree to a certain extent but ... the shops are busy enough as it is. Imagine if you couldn’t buy anything until December
    • Murphybear
    • By Murphybear 2nd Dec 17, 7:10 AM
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    Murphybear
    Think about this.

    Not everyone has a family to spend Christmas with.. There will be 2 of us and the cat. He has no parents, siblings or children. I have no parents, children and only exchange Xmas cards with 2 brothers whom I see once in a blue moon.

    Yes, we spend little money which is a blessing but most years I feel sad that I have no one to spend it on
    • indesisiv
    • By indesisiv 5th Dec 17, 8:07 AM
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    indesisiv
    I live on my own, don't bother with tree, decs etc. I also largely ignore 99.9% of it all! It always bugs me when on a sat I am doing my normal weekly shop and its madness at how busy it is!

    However, I wouldn't cancel it as its pretty much the only time that we can get the entire family with holidays at the same time to meet up!

    You don't have to go mad and make it a present orientated thing!
    “Time is intended to be spent, not saved” - Alfred Wainwright
    • enjoyyourshoes
    • By enjoyyourshoes 5th Dec 17, 8:12 AM
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    enjoyyourshoes
    Could we have a Christmas on a variable date throughout the year, but not let anyone know what date that is?
    Debt is a symptom, solve the problem.
    • Anthorn
    • By Anthorn 10th Dec 17, 11:12 AM
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    Anthorn
    I am utterly amazed at the amount of people who say they would cancel Christmas.
    After all Jesus went through and suffered for ALL people and then some say they would cancel Christmas?
    Unbelievable, Thank you Jesus for all you have done.
    I for one would NEVER cancel Christmas.
    Originally posted by waynehelliwell
    Your post which I have quoted confuses the situation. We celebrate Jesus being crucified at Easter or more accurately the Spring Equinox on which the passover happens. According to John, Jesus was crucified on the Eve of passover. Therefore that is the only date we can be sure of which is an entry in the bible.

    At Christmas the birth of Jesus is celebrated but that date is nowhere seen in the Bible.

    At this time of year we hear from some sources that we should get back to the real meaning of Christmas. Well, the real meaning is a Pagan festival which celebrates the renewal of the sun: The shortest day of the year happens around December 25th and after that the days get longer. Variously called "Yule" Which is principally celebrated with the "Yule log" originally a wooden log thrown on the fire but now commercialised into a chocolate covered Swiss roll.

    Getting back to the topic and poll, I'm not sure that I would get rid of Christmas. I know that it is very highly commercialised and an excuse for manufacturers and retailers to make a fat profit. But it is greatly enjoyed by my grandchildren and also brings together family and friends in celebrating Christmas. On the other hand it is a very lonely time for those who don't have family and friends to get together with.
    • AubreyMac
    • By AubreyMac 11th Dec 17, 10:47 AM
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    AubreyMac
    Christmas is just another day to me.


    Although I like the bright colourful lights etc I just look forward to all shops and businesses returning to normal.


    I don't understand why people shop as though the world is going to end, really pees me off. I've done all my Christmas shopping by the end of Oct.


    I buy presents for people (niece, nephew and a few close friends/family) but I don't go all OTT with it.


    For the people I care about I make the effort to contact and see them all year round, not just 1 set day.


    Past several years I have chosen to work everyday in Dec and around new year. It's great coz the office is so quiet I can get more done in peace. I prefer to take time off when work is busy.
    • SamsReturn
    • By SamsReturn 26th Dec 17, 1:43 PM
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    SamsReturn
    I don't think Christmas should be cancelled, a lot of people look forward to it and enjoy the celebrations. I know when i was growing up, as a child. it couldn't come around fast enough. Even as an adult i've enjoyed it, nights out with mates, family Christmas dinners and parties, lots of good memories. But i'm here on my own now, and it just isn't the same. I'm not miserable, i don't want to stop others enjoying themselves, but it annoys me that Mse towers doesn't tell those posters who want to start thread after thread about Christmas, and now New Year, in the correct part of the forum. Mostly the same few people who have only just joined Mse, hopefully they'll stop posting now until this time in 2018.
    Last edited by SamsReturn; 26-12-2017 at 1:46 PM.
    • Gloomendoom
    • By Gloomendoom 28th Dec 17, 11:16 PM
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    Gloomendoom
    Your post which I have quoted confuses the situation. We celebrate Jesus being crucified at Easter or more accurately the Spring Equinox on which the passover happens. According to John, Jesus was crucified on the Eve of passover. Therefore that is the only date we can be sure of which is an entry in the bible.

    At Christmas the birth of Jesus is celebrated but that date is nowhere seen in the Bible.

    At this time of year we hear from some sources that we should get back to the real meaning of Christmas. Well, the real meaning is a Pagan festival which celebrates the renewal of the sun: The shortest day of the year happens around December 25th and after that the days get longer. Variously called "Yule" Which is principally celebrated with the "Yule log" originally a wooden log thrown on the fire but now commercialised into a chocolate covered Swiss roll.
    Originally posted by Anthorn
    Like it or lump it, the real meaning of Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ. Celebrating !!!8220;Yule!!!8221; or the winter solstice on or around the 25th of December in the Southern Hemisphere is pretty pointless.

    The reason it falls on the same date as various Northern Hemishere pagan winter festivals is due to the lack of a known specific date for Christ!!!8217;s birth as mentioned above. Early Christians needed a date for a knees up so just picked a date they were familiar with and knew most people would conveniently already have booked off work.
    Last edited by Gloomendoom; 28-12-2017 at 11:18 PM.
    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain
    • Anthorn
    • By Anthorn 21st Jan 18, 10:57 PM
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    Anthorn
    Like it or lump it, the real meaning of Christmas is the celebration of the birth of Christ. Celebrating !!!8220;Yule!!!8221; or the winter solstice on or around the 25th of December in the Southern Hemisphere is pretty pointless.

    The reason it falls on the same date as various Northern Hemishere pagan winter festivals is due to the lack of a known specific date for Christ!!!8217;s birth as mentioned above. Early Christians needed a date for a knees up so just picked a date they were familiar with and knew most people would conveniently already have booked off work.
    Originally posted by Gloomendoom
    Confusion reigns supreme lol.

    So why is it that some old churches have ancient standing stones in their grounds. That provides a clue as to what happened when the date of older festivals were transformed into Christian observances: It's pretty much obvious that the older religion(s) were hijacked. Lo and behold when your ancient man or woman in the street went to the standing stones for their festival they found a Christian church. They still got their festival but it was now a Christian festival.

    Therefore the real meaning of Christmas as well as most dates in the Christian calendar including Easter with its bunny, a symbol of the Goddess of fertility, and the harvest festival are Pagan. "Living a lie" comes to mind.
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