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    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 22nd Nov 17, 9:43 PM
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    Apps on Panasonic tvs
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    • 22nd Nov 17, 9:43 PM
    Apps on Panasonic tvs 22nd Nov 17 at 9:43 PM
    Having left Sky, I have been looking round the apps icons on our 2 year old Panasonic tv and on the page with iPlayer , ITV Hub etc,there is an extra ITV icon which gives the message that the ITV Hub will soon be unavailable on our tv.


    When smart tvs became common, I remember reading the criticism that manufacturers only support the apps for a certain period and then no longer update them, so I was expecting something like 8-10years and not just 2.


    Does anyone else's Panasonic tv have this message and, if so, has it been there for a long time or does it literally mean a few weeks left ?
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    • almillar
    • By almillar 28th Nov 17, 12:53 PM
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    It is Freetime as on Freesat but you can get it through an aerial as well (on Panasonics anyway):
    I think that would be more accurately described as 'even without a satellite connection, the on demand content still works via internet' - I don't think it goes via aerial.

    works but slow to load like Netflix.
    So that's your internet or WiFi speed, nothing to do with the satellite connection. Netflix is on the net.

    It's definitely Freetime but via an aerial and I believe was first introduced by Panasonic.
    Internet, not aerial. Freetime was on set top boxes (Humax for example) first, but Panasonic were first to build it into TVs.


    Looks like you're stuck anyway, if ITV and Panasonic can't agree something.
    • Colin_Maybe
    • By Colin_Maybe 28th Nov 17, 3:02 PM
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    I think that would be more accurately described as 'even without a satellite connection, the on demand content still works via internet' - I don't think it goes via aerial.

    Internet, not aerial. Freetime was on set top boxes (Humax for example) first, but Panasonic were first to build it into TVs.
    Originally posted by almillar
    Yes, of course catch-up is via an internet connection however the point is that Freetime is the service that Panasonic use when using Freeview via the TV aerial, the same product that Freesat generally use.

    Do any Humax Freeview (not Freesat) boxes use Freetime or do they all use Freeview Play?
    • wongataa
    • By wongataa 28th Nov 17, 3:11 PM
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    Yes, of course catch-up is via an internet connection however the point is that Freetime is the service that Panasonic use when using Freeview via the TV aerial, the same product that Freesat generally use.

    Do any Humax Freeview (not Freesat) boxes use Freetime or do they all use Freeview Play?
    Originally posted by Colin_Maybe
    Freetime is only available on satellite. It is the satellite equivalent of Freeview Play. No service via terrestrial broadcasts has Freetime.
    • Colin_Maybe
    • By Colin_Maybe 28th Nov 17, 3:20 PM
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    Freetime is only available on satellite. It is the satellite equivalent of Freeview Play. No service via terrestrial broadcasts has Freetime.
    Originally posted by wongataa
    Try reading back through the posts and you'll see that you're wrong.
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 28th Nov 17, 10:07 PM
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    Freetime is only available on satellite. It is the satellite equivalent of Freeview Play. No service via terrestrial broadcasts has Freetime.
    Originally posted by wongataa
    Mine does :
    http://www.panasonic.com/uk/consumer/televisions/4KTV/tx-42as650b.html
    • hareng
    • By hareng 29th Nov 17, 12:05 AM
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    Quote:
    works but slow to load like Netflix.
    So that's your internet or WiFi speed, nothing to do with the satellite connection. Netflix is on the net.
    Originally posted by almillar
    Didnt say it was.
    Internets fine so is the WIFI to telly. As said theyre both slow to load close on two mins to get in then ok.
    Had a black screen for well over a minute yesterday clicking on ITV Player on Freesat just said loading, then to eventually click red button. Must admit quicker just now about 40 secs.
    Same applies to Netflix now got rid of, once your actually in its ok.
    Have streamed two movies in HD via internet plus other stufff at same time in the past, throughputs fine 50 odd meg last 6 1/2 years.
    Also no loading on internet based Amazon its instant.
    • almillar
    • By almillar 29th Nov 17, 1:18 PM
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    Yes, of course catch-up is via an internet connection however the point is that Freetime is the service that Panasonic use when using Freeview via the TV aerial, the same product that Freesat generally use.

    Do any Humax Freeview (not Freesat) boxes use Freetime or do they all use Freeview Play?
    Yes, your TV includes Freetime. And Freeview. But Freetime is part of the Freesat platform, and as we have discovered, can operate without a satellite connection, because the catchup part works via internet. The Freeview part of the TV has nothing to do with this, that's all I'm saying. I can't see Freesat mentioned on Panasonic's spec page - does it have it? Either way, Freetime is via internet, not Aerial.

    AFAIK, any set top box will be Freetime on satellite boxes, and Freeview Play, Youview or something proprietary on Freeview boxes. This Panasonic TV is an anomoly in the ever confusing world of digital TV platforms!
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 29th Nov 17, 11:43 PM
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    This Panasonic TV is an anomoly in the ever confusing world of digital TV platforms!
    Originally posted by almillar

    The tv is just Freview ; not Freesat. Also, the particular model is not an anomaly, as Freetime is on all sets of 650 and upwards for the next year or two,but they seem to have reverted to Freeview Play.



    I think the removal of ITV hub must be from sets with the Freetime option.


    Manufacturers change specs so often that it's impossible to keep up,yet you don't know what is good or bad in new additions. There are so many new and existing technologies that he laymen will either never use or understand.


    We have had lots of Panasonic products including tvs (both with excellent pictures) , three microwaves, three vacuum cleaners, an excellent bread maker and a music centre, but I'm going off them after this loss of ITV hub service and with the quality of microwaves deteriorating.


    Our microwave is cased in strong brushed steel , but the new steel cases are polished, both looking and feeling flimsy, with the combination ovens losing a shelf and a number of accessories.
    • Colin_Maybe
    • By Colin_Maybe 30th Nov 17, 8:49 AM
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    Manufacturers change specs so often that it's impossible to keep up,yet you don't know what is good or bad in new additions. There are so many new and existing technologies that he laymen will either never use or understand.
    Originally posted by teddysmum
    When I worked for ITV, Samsung for instance had different versions of software running on the various tiers of TV sets (cheap to expensive) all from the same model year. Then they would change the software for the next model year and everything would stop working again.

    It must be an absolute nightmare for the app developers, I was always amazed anything worked.
    • brewerdave
    • By brewerdave 30th Nov 17, 10:21 AM
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    When I worked for ITV, Samsung for instance had different versions of software running on the various tiers of TV sets (cheap to expensive) all from the same model year. Then they would change the software for the next model year and everything would stop working again.

    It must be an absolute nightmare for the app developers, I was always amazed anything worked.
    Originally posted by Colin_Maybe
    This is why I bought a "dumb" TV last time! Plug in a 25 Android box and a Chromecast and I have an easily upgradeable smart set up.
    Terrible shame that you can't get a new set now without the bells and whistles
    • Moneyineptitude
    • By Moneyineptitude 30th Nov 17, 10:54 AM
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    Terrible shame that you can't get a new set now without the bells and whistles
    Originally posted by brewerdave
    I agree. Although it was inevitable that the SMART features would become standard even at the cheaper end of the TV market. Of course, it's still possible to do as you did and use external plug-ins.
    • almillar
    • By almillar 30th Nov 17, 12:50 PM
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    Also, the particular model is not an anomaly, as Freetime is on all sets of 650 and upwards for the next year or two
    Yes, I meant Panasonic using it, on non satellite equipment, is an anomaly, which only serves to confuse, hence this discussion.
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 30th Nov 17, 9:34 PM
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    This is why I bought a "dumb" TV last time! Plug in a 25 Android box and a Chromecast and I have an easily upgradeable smart set up.
    Terrible shame that you can't get a new set now without the bells and whistles
    Originally posted by brewerdave


    I chose ours for the picture quality, fact that Panasonic tvs don't seem to suffer from poor sound and the design, which has a stainless steel strip instead of plastic.


    I wasn't bothered about smart,because we have a Humax box (catchup rarely done and via laptop) and didn't use it until the last cancellation of Sky. It's just annoying that something in the description, of what was not a cheap tv, no longer works after just over two years of ownership.
    • boatman
    • By boatman 1st Dec 17, 2:19 PM
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    I think there is a lot to be said for not worrying about the smart element of a new tv, just use a set top box and update that instead of the tv.

    ITV player I've often found to be very bad, stopping at a set of adverts and not continuing, meaning you have to reset ITV player and start all over again. Never had that trouble with iplayer, all4 or channel 5.
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 17th Jan 18, 7:33 PM
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    ITV Hub completely disappeared from the aforementioned Panasonic tvs,on Friday.


    As I didn't know that it would go off at that particular time I had watched BBC live, expecting to catch upon Vera via the Hub.


    As this wasn't possible I went through the rigmarole of setting up Hub on a laptop (Had to use Firefox,as it doesn't work on Windows 7) and noticed that the website mentioned it was no longer available on Panasonic tvs and a long list of pvrs,so as I mentioned above,you can't even rely on these.


    I watched a small part of Vera, then went to bed,but received an email asking why I hadn't completed the programme,so used that to (uselessly,of course) mention the disappointment to tv and box owners let down.


    Today I had a reply,saying that they have withdrawn services from all Panasonic sets using Freesat,then going on to list lots of tv sets and setups that you can watch Hub on.


    I was going to leave it at that as, obviously, neither ITV nor Panasnic is concerned about its customers,but was annoyed by their suggestion that customers should buy another tv set or pay for a previously not needed item like a Firestick.


    I just had to ask if they really thought that someone who paid over 600 (ours is middle range) for a tv,only two years ago, should buy another just to watch their service, adding that it was so poor compared to iPlayer that it didn't warrant any further expenditure.


    It's a pity that you can't buy higher spec basic service tvs, as the cheaper ones seem to be the only ones not smart, because we are buying a function that is very likely to be obsolete very quickly,so a waste of money. You can't rely on pvrs either, according to ITV's list of brands losing Hub too.
    • JanC99
    • By JanC99 23rd Feb 18, 8:49 AM
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    Panasonic Smart Freeview Play TVs no apps
    I still find it hard to believe that I have 3 Panasonic TVs that are less than 2years old that have lost both All4 and ITVHub when most of the time I only watch catch-up TV.

    Is there anything I can do?

    I have 24inch TXCS500B AND TXDS500B models.
    • Colin_Maybe
    • By Colin_Maybe 23rd Feb 18, 9:07 AM
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    I still find it hard to believe that I have 3 Panasonic TVs that are less than 2years old that have lost both All4 and ITVHub when most of the time I only watch catch-up TV.

    Is there anything I can do?

    I have 24inch TXCS500B AND TXDS500B models.
    Originally posted by JanC99
    They're Freeview TV's so you haven't lost All4 (or the HD channel), as for the ITV Hub there's plenty of suggestions above for alternatives. And no you can't get a refund.

    TBH I'm surprised anyone would miss the ITV channels anyway.
    • AndyPK
    • By AndyPK 23rd Feb 18, 11:38 AM
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    I got a NowTv box for catchup.

    youtube seams to be not working on my P TV
    • almillar
    • By almillar 23rd Feb 18, 12:39 PM
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    Is there anything I can do?
    Ask yourself this - how much did you pay ITV, for example, for their service? Zero. ITV owe you nothing and if they want to withdraw their service, they can. Panasonic may have made certain promises of 'smartness' at the start ('it connects to internet services') and maybe even specific services, like Netflix or iPlayer etc, but it will all be 'subject to availability'. Availability has ended, for whatever reason. It's not unique to Panasonic, but it will have hurt early Smart TVs more - I'd say (with no evidence) that now that the platforms are more mature, support for them will be easier in the future - using HTML5 for example, instead of Flash.
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 23rd Feb 18, 10:30 PM
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    They're Freeview TV's so you haven't lost All4 (or the HD channel), as for the ITV Hub there's plenty of suggestions above for alternatives. And no you can't get a refund.

    TBH I'm surprised anyone would miss the ITV channels anyway.
    Originally posted by Colin_Maybe
    Our Panasonic, already having lost the ITV catchup, last night we noticed that the 4 catchup icon has greyed out on the 'On Demand' screen ,with a message saying the service is withdrawn, but oddly it still works via the Freetime EPG page, which lost ITV Hub well before the Hub icon greyed out with the service gone.
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