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    • longleggedhair
    • By longleggedhair 19th Nov 17, 8:47 PM
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    Blue Badges becoming useless?
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    • 19th Nov 17, 8:47 PM
    Blue Badges becoming useless? 19th Nov 17 at 8:47 PM
    A relative I take out has had a badge for many years, however I am increasingly finding it pointless as wherever we go all of the bay's are full, is seems more pronounced over the last couple of years.

    The badge is still handy for parking on double yellows & for the free parking, however the main need is to get the person close to the building we are visiting, this is becoming increasingly difficult. I wonder if others are finding the same?
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    • custardy
    • By custardy 26th Nov 17, 7:58 PM
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    I do have a BB, but if all the accessible spaces are taken, I would come back a different day.

    But what generally happens in my local is that non-BB holders park in the BB bays and the BB holders then use the parent bays and as it is private land nothing gets done regarding the issue.

    You mention it to the store, but just get the we can't do anything about it stance, which then makes you wonder why bother with signage stating BB holders only. As all park wherever they like anyway.
    Originally posted by tomtom256
    What do you feel they can do?
    • unforeseen
    • By unforeseen 26th Nov 17, 8:12 PM
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    You mention it to the store, but just get the we can't do anything about it stance, which then makes you wonder why bother with signage stating BB holders only. As all park wherever they like anyway.
    Originally posted by tomtom256
    The store can do nothing because no laws have been broken.

    The disabled bays only exist because the government say that they should have them, however, as with on street disabled bays, then unless there is a TRO in force (which would not be possible on private land (Scotland might be different)) the bays are open for anyone to park in.

    Added to which, a BB on private land has no legal force, a point made clear in the guide that comes with the BB.

    With BBs people tend to get mixed up between what they want & and believe that they actually have and what the law actually grants them. It is not as wide ranging as people believe
    Last edited by unforeseen; 26-11-2017 at 8:14 PM.
    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 26th Nov 17, 10:46 PM
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    The store can do nothing because no laws have been broken.

    The disabled bays only exist because the government say that they should have them, however, as with on street disabled bays, then unless there is a TRO in force (which would not be possible on private land (Scotland might be different)) the bays are open for anyone to park in.

    Added to which, a BB on private land has no legal force, a point made clear in the guide that comes with the BB.

    With BBs people tend to get mixed up between what they want & and believe that they actually have and what the law actually grants them. It is not as wide ranging as people believe
    Originally posted by unforeseen
    No pooh sherlock.

    Hence the comment why bother having signage!
    • custardy
    • By custardy 27th Nov 17, 5:24 AM
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    No pooh sherlock.

    Hence the comment why bother having signage!
    Originally posted by tomtom256
    Calm down pumpkin.
    It was you who said "You mention it to the store, but just get the we can't do anything about it stance"

    so you just like a whine and a mump.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 27th Nov 17, 7:16 AM
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    Because the blue badge gives you ADDITIONAL parking privileges. You have more choices.

    I assume that if all the disabled and P&C spaces are full you would just go home? Or are you the type to block a vehicle in a disabled spot because you can not see the blue badge and think that they have no 'right' even though you have no information or right to make that judgement?
    Originally posted by unforeseen
    NO, i wouldn't block another vehicle in because there were no disabled parking spaces. Post #4 of which i was refering to suggested on good days to leave the disabled bay for someone else, which was the reason for my reply. If there's no disabled bay available then of course i would use another parking space.
    Last edited by poppy12345; 27-11-2017 at 7:24 AM.
    • poppy12345
    • By poppy12345 27th Nov 17, 7:26 AM
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    I think you completely missed the point of the post.
    Originally posted by custardy
    No i didn't, i understood exactly what post #4 suggested, thanks.
    • custardy
    • By custardy 27th Nov 17, 8:24 AM
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    No i didn't, i understood exactly what post #4 suggested, thanks.
    Originally posted by poppy12345
    and yet your reply suggests otherwise......
    • Cyclamen
    • By Cyclamen 27th Nov 17, 8:04 PM
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    It isn't always as simple as 'come back another time' some BB holders have to plan in advance for trips out. I am a blue holder. But I don't drive. My PA take me out for appointments and occasionally shopping. If the BB spaces are full its tricky.

    It would be nice if the 'loading bay spaces' or drop offs where used for that and not just 'nipping in for x.y.z' but again the shops don't seem able to enforce this. I get very anxious stopping in road to unload wheelchair, move me out the way and wait for PA to come back and by the end of a visit I'm not usually well enough to be left alone whilst the car is retrieved.

    I'm sure like many of us I have had accidents trying to get into the car in a normal space. I thought I could walk from boot to door and ended up on floor in car park in cold.. so we now get the car out and try and find a none busy area to load if its a normal size space.

    I don't know what the answer is but we do find it tricky to get a BB space at supermarket and carparks in town.
    • freezspirit
    • By freezspirit 27th Nov 17, 9:21 PM
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    I find hospital parking the worst. Ques for the limited disabled spaces. I have to allow at least 40 mins onto the journey time just for parking.

    Also if your hospital uses Parking Eye and have registered your badge on the system but then you renew your badge make sure to re-register your new blue badge or expect a fine.
    • tomtom256
    • By tomtom256 27th Nov 17, 10:53 PM
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    I find hospital parking the worst. Ques for the limited disabled spaces. I have to allow at least 40 mins onto the journey time just for parking.

    Also if your hospital uses Parking Eye and have registered your badge on the system but then you renew your badge make sure to re-register your new blue badge or expect a fine.
    Originally posted by freezspirit
    You mean you get free parking at the hospital.
    • winnac01
    • By winnac01 29th Nov 17, 9:02 AM
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    It got so frustrating trying to park in a blue badge space, that we just gave up and shop online now it's not worth the bother, and if we did have to go we go early mid-week when its quiet. As there are no legal restrictions to where people park on private car parks it's not worth getting wound up over. To be honest, shopping online is much easier especially if your wheelchair bound.
    • matrix11001
    • By matrix11001 20th Feb 18, 12:44 AM
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    Blu badge becoming useless
    Not just that some councils like Plymouth are charging for parking in previously free parking areas. Disabled are always easy targets for governments and their Tory councils to squeeze money from!
    • _shel
    • By _shel 20th Feb 18, 7:36 AM
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    Not just that some councils like Plymouth are charging for parking in previously free parking areas. Disabled are always easy targets for governments and their Tory councils to squeeze money from!
    Originally posted by matrix11001
    Any reason why disabled people shouldn't pay for parking? We get DLA to cover extra costs and the blue badge is about providing accessible places not free parking.
    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 20th Feb 18, 8:00 AM
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    I always thought blue badges were for convenient parking rather than free parking. With the free parking came fraud in that people either stole blue badges or forged them. And there has been prosecutions for people wrongly using their relative's blue badge.

    If people are wrongly using disabled spaces at a gym, then get that gym to have a word, take pictures of the cars in the spaces and email the gym the picture.

    What annoys me, and this will annoy a lot of blue badge holders, is the "entitlement" attitude that a lot of blue badge holders have. The blue badge is to give you a space that is convenient and gives you room to get out of and into the car. It does not mean you can park in front of our neighbours driveway and nip to the shop, thereby preventing our neighbour from getting the car out of the drive to go and get the kids from school. It does not mean you have more of a right to parent and child spaces than parents with young children do, thereby leaving a vacant disabled space that parents cannot use, and it does not mean you get free parking - why should you, everyone needs to get out to do the shopping, if you were so broke you could not afford the parking then what are you doing paying for fuel to go out? Especially as these days most things can be bought online.
    What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare
    • lisyloo
    • By lisyloo 20th Feb 18, 10:34 AM
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    it does not mean you get free parking - why should you,
    I agree. We go free across the Severn bridge as we usually have a blue badge holder in the car, but if we are visiting relatives who don't live in the center of town then there is no way an able-bodied person has any alternative especially on a Sunday. Don't understand why it's free if able-bodied people mostly don't have another option to get to wales. I guess it's for political correctness.
    The bllur badge holders in our family got a lot of benefits for being disabled (83 attendance allowance, plus carers allowance EACH) so were actually better off. They did have to pay for a lot of assistance but nevertheless were better off getting about 600 per week in benefits (pensions credit, attendance, carers, caoucnil tax benefit).
    • Danday
    • By Danday 20th Feb 18, 12:03 PM
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    Thanks, just a quickie. I parked up in the John Lewis car park in one of the disabled bays with only the one left. Anyhow the driver of the car next to me with his wife came back as I was locking up and what seemed to be his mobile phone had the car start up and reverse itself out so that they could get in it with ease. I was amazed to see this.
    • Enterprise 1701C
    • By Enterprise 1701C 20th Feb 18, 1:46 PM
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    Enterprise 1701C
    Thanks, just a quickie. I parked up in the John Lewis car park in one of the disabled bays with only the one left. Anyhow the driver of the car next to me with his wife came back as I was locking up and what seemed to be his mobile phone had the car start up and reverse itself out so that they could get in it with ease. I was amazed to see this.
    Originally posted by Danday
    Was it a mercedes?
    What is this life if, full of care, we have no time to stand and stare
    • Ames
    • By Ames 20th Feb 18, 1:53 PM
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    Any reason why disabled people shouldn't pay for parking? We get DLA to cover extra costs and the blue badge is about providing accessible places not free parking.
    Originally posted by _shel
    Perhaps a reduced rate would be fairest, to take into account that a disabled person will probably take a lot longer to do the same errands a a non disabled person.
    Unless I say otherwise 'you' means the general you not you specifically.
    • Danday
    • By Danday 20th Feb 18, 4:31 PM
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    No I don't think so it had a funny shaped badge like a letter T certainly not a star shape.
    There just found it, a tesla whatever that is.
    Last edited by Danday; 20-02-2018 at 4:40 PM.
    • Danday
    • By Danday 20th Feb 18, 4:35 PM
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    Not in my opinion, have you not seen these mobility scooters that supermarkets have for their customers. The speed up and down the aisles and are finished before most able bodied people are. On top of that surely three hours is plenty long enough anyhow. I know that after one hour I am ready to go home. Where I live most council run car parks charge full price even though you have a blue badge. You just get the option of a wider space. Only those that have cars that are registered in the disabled class get free parking for up to three hours.
    Last edited by Danday; 20-02-2018 at 4:38 PM.
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