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    • 123Messiah
    • By 123Messiah 17th Nov 17, 12:41 AM
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    Gladstones letter before claim
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    • 17th Nov 17, 12:41 AM
    Gladstones letter before claim 17th Nov 17 at 12:41 AM
    Hi,

    I previously hijacked someones thread by accident but have started a new one! Apologies!

    When the driver visits there sister (which is quite often) the driver normally park in a visitors bay with a visitors permit but if there are no spaces anywhere the driver parks in an undesignated place.
    In the past the driver has got parking charges which the driver have ignored and nothing has ever come of it but recently the driver got 2 which the driver never responded to of course but now received a letter before claim.



    Kind regards
    Last edited by 123Messiah; 12-03-2018 at 7:33 PM. Reason: driver
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    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 17th Nov 17, 7:56 AM
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    • 17th Nov 17, 7:56 AM
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    • 17th Nov 17, 7:56 AM
    You have to deal with the LBC; no more ignoring.

    The NEWBIES FAQ sticky, post #2 tells you everything about handling the LBC, right through to any court hearing. The sticky must now be your Bible in terms of working through all this. Refer to it frequently, and whenever there is a new stage to your case.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • 123Messiah
    • By 123Messiah 6th Jan 18, 11:42 AM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 11:42 AM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 11:42 AM
    Hi,

    The driver had responded to a letter before claim by a template four by "coupon mad" which was great!
    This morning the driver has received an 8 page letter from Gladstones saying "Thank you for your correspondence. We confirm our Letter Before Claim is complaint with the most up to date version of the practice direction for pre-action protocol."

    It says I have a further 30 days from this letter to pay or failure to do so will result I further legal proceedings being issued against the driver.

    There is no signature just says Gladstones Solicitors at the bottom in bold.

    The first few pages are FAQ then another page of debt advice places I can call.

    The next pages are a reply form to tick boxes.... I agrees I owe the debt..... I owe some of the debt but not all of it......i don't know weather I owe the debt.....i dispute the debt.

    the next section is how will you pay and the final pages are to fill in a financial stem enter if you have requested to pay in instalments.

    I would like to know what the drivers next step would be and if anyone else has had this next step of letter as when reading the threads I have read people getting a LBC then court proceedings.

    Kindest regards
    Last edited by 123Messiah; 12-03-2018 at 7:34 PM. Reason: driver
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 6th Jan 18, 11:46 AM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 11:46 AM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 11:46 AM
    I normally park in a visitors bay ... if there are no spaces anywhere I park in normal bays.

    In the past I have got parking charges which I have ignored

    Are you saying that you park in a bay belonging to another resident? If so, you appear to haver a very cavalier attitude towards other peoples' property. It is because of such behaviour that MAs appoint these scammers.
    Last edited by The Deep; 06-01-2018 at 11:54 AM.
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    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 6th Jan 18, 12:03 PM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 12:03 PM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 12:03 PM
    123Messiah

    Who is the parking company ?
    Are there clear signs displayed that can be seen
    both day and night ?

    It could be a commission agent not employed by the PPC
    which could be neighbour

    Reply and deny the debt requesting proof of the
    landowners authority to the PPC.
    DO THIS NOW

    In the meantime, get your sister to contact the
    landowner or management company to get this
    cancelled as it is restricting her family to visit her
    She needs to do this quickly

    Do not delay
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 6th Jan 18, 3:39 PM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 3:39 PM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 3:39 PM
    There is no signature just says Gladstones Solicitors at the bottom in bold.
    Perfectly OK and normal for any solicitor firm.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • 123Messiah
    • By 123Messiah 6th Jan 18, 7:46 PM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 7:46 PM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 7:46 PM
    Hi,
    The drivers sister has a few nice neighbours which go away some weekends so we have permission from them, so no I would to park in someone else!!!8217;s bay without consent.
    The parking charges are not for that.
    Last edited by 123Messiah; 12-03-2018 at 7:36 PM.
    • 123Messiah
    • By 123Messiah 6th Jan 18, 7:54 PM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 7:54 PM
    Hi Beamer
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    • 6th Jan 18, 7:54 PM
    Hi BeamerGuy,

    The parking company is called parking and property management limited.

    Does the driver tick the box to say I dispute the debt if I do this I have to explain why on a separate piece of paper.

    Thankful for your reply as a little stressed :/
    Last edited by 123Messiah; 12-03-2018 at 7:36 PM.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 6th Jan 18, 9:00 PM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 9:00 PM
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    • 6th Jan 18, 9:00 PM
    Hi BeamerGuy,

    The parking company is called parking and property management limited.

    Do I tick the box to say I dispute the debt if I do this I have to explain why on a separate piece of paper.

    Thankful for your reply as a little stressed :/
    Originally posted by 123Messiah
    Don't get stressed, you are just dealing with scammers
    and their dodgy legals

    You do not have to explain anything, it is for them
    to provide the proof
    You simply reject the claim and request proof and
    a valid document giving the PPC the rights to issue
    tickets. The latter they will probably refuse claiming
    data protection but if they proceed, a judge would
    need to see on what authority

    The neighbour who gives permission whilst away
    is very important, get a statement from them giving
    your sister authorisation
    No parking company has the right to over ride a
    resident, doubt if the MA would do that
    However, the parking cowboys do what they want

    Parking & Property Management Limited walked
    into a trap by using Gladstones ...... read this

    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/01/gladstones-claim-struck-out-utterly.html
    One would have thought that PPML would have learnt
    their lesson by using the incompetent Gladstones ????
    As the Prankster noted ...
    "
    Hiring cheap shoddy solicitors does not always save money. If your solicitors believe that it is not financially viable to obey practice directions then you probably either need to change solicitors or not file the claim."

    He is talking about Gladstones
    Last edited by beamerguy; 06-01-2018 at 9:07 PM.
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • muleskinner
    • By muleskinner 6th Jan 18, 9:16 PM
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    Haha - that is excellent news re Gladstones/PPM.

    The WS I received from PPM/Gladstones for my case was signed by a 'David Blake', presumably the same 'Mr. Blake' referenced in that prankster post.

    A bit of googling reveals a 'David Blake' living in the same general area as PPM have their offices who seems to have a very shady history in the 'parking enforcement' industry, one of his previous clamping companies were ASBOd by the council.

    Coincidence? Maybe this is why he wants his name off the Companies House roster?
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 6th Jan 18, 9:38 PM
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    Haha - that is excellent news re Gladstones/PPM.

    The WS I received from PPM/Gladstones for my case was signed by a 'David Blake', presumably the same 'Mr. Blake' referenced in that prankster post.

    A bit of googling reveals a 'David Blake' living in the same general area as PPM have their offices who seems to have a very shady history in the 'parking enforcement' industry, one of his previous clamping companies were ASBOd by the council.

    Coincidence? Maybe this is why he wants his name off the Companies House roster?
    Originally posted by muleskinner
    Probably, well, he screwed up for PPM in that case
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

    DISGUSTING BEHAVIOUR
    • 123Messiah
    • By 123Messiah 7th Jan 18, 6:38 PM
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    Thanks again Beamer Guy,

    The driver will send back the reply form tomorrow, just to be clear the driver will tick to deny and underneath this the driver shall write;

    "Can you please supply me with proof and a valid document giving parking and property management ltd rights to issue tickets."

    Thanks in advance again Beamer Guy hope you've had a great Sunday!
    Last edited by 123Messiah; 12-03-2018 at 7:37 PM.
    • 123Messiah
    • By 123Messiah 12th Feb 18, 11:49 AM
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    Update:

    Reply back was:

    No contract

    You infer there was no contract. The rules of interpretation require simply that the parties knew of their obligations to one-another. You were offered use of the Land by way of signage and could either follow the rules and avoid a parking charge or breach the rules and agree to pay the charge set out on the signs.

    Gives amethod to pay and pages of pictures of the car and signage.

    Gives 30 days or legal action.

    Which way would the driver go from here?

    Kindest regards
    Last edited by 123Messiah; 12-03-2018 at 7:38 PM.
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 12th Feb 18, 12:03 PM
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    Are you aware that this low rent law firm were named and shamed in the House of Commons last week? watch the cideo here.

    http://parliaentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    They have also been reported by an MP to the SRA., their cat has well and truly been marked.

    Complain to your MP referencing the Second Readiing, law firms should not be helping PPCs to scam the public.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 12th Feb 18, 2:10 PM
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    Does this letter comply with the PAP for debt action?
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 12th Feb 18, 4:44 PM
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    Probably just about does. The OP needs to start preparing by reading all the Gladstones Court claim threads, and getting out the resident's tenancy agreement to use as evidence of primacy of contract.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Ralph-y
    • By Ralph-y 12th Feb 18, 5:51 PM
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    same David Blake as this thread ?

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=73870938#post73870938

    page 5

    Ralph
    • 123Messiah
    • By 123Messiah 8th Mar 18, 11:34 AM
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    Morning,

    The driver has recieved a claim form with no particulars to follow so acknowledged via MCOL.

    In brief the driver recieved 2 parking tickets, the driver regulary visits there sister that they have a visitors pass for. In one photo it shows the drivers car parked half on the kerb with the visitors pass in the window (the driver always moves it into a bay shortly after when available as can view from her window) on the second picture is the same situation but has not shown the visitors pass in the window but again waiting for a space.

    Kindest regards
    Last edited by 123Messiah; 12-03-2018 at 7:40 PM.
    • nosferatu1001
    • By nosferatu1001 8th Mar 18, 12:12 PM
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    You of course add to this thread. Otherwise how would anyone know the history of the claim?

    Did you do as told a month ago, and obtained the lease?
    • 123Messiah
    • By 123Messiah 8th Mar 18, 2:41 PM
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    Hi,

    Yes the driver have my sister's tenancy agreement.
    ok will start this later once my little one in bed so I can focus properly.

    Thanks again!
    Last edited by 123Messiah; 12-03-2018 at 7:41 PM.
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