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    • Exemplar
    • By Exemplar 14th Nov 17, 4:59 PM
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    Redundant today - do I still need to 'work' for the company?
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    • 14th Nov 17, 4:59 PM
    Redundant today - do I still need to 'work' for the company? 14th Nov 17 at 4:59 PM
    Hopefully an easy one this..

    I was made redundant today after 5 years in IT support.

    I was sent home with the option of returning 'if' I wanted to attend consultation meetings/ CV workshops.

    If I am contacted by staff for IT support via my mobile (as I have always used my own... I know!) do I have to assist? Or should I refer them to my line manager?

    My moral compass says assist, my stomach says refer them..

    TIA.
    'Just because its on the internet don't believe it 100%'. Abraham Lincoln.
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 14th Nov 17, 5:04 PM
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    • 14th Nov 17, 5:04 PM
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    • 14th Nov 17, 5:04 PM
    Hopefully an easy one this..

    I was made redundant today after 5 years in IT support.

    I was sent home with the option of returning 'if' I wanted to attend consultation meetings/ CV workshops.

    If I am contacted by staff for IT support via my mobile (as I have always used my own... I know!) do I have to assist? Or should I refer them to my line manager?

    My moral compass says assist, my stomach says refer them..

    TIA.
    Originally posted by Exemplar


    What do you mean made redundant? Typically that's after consultation happens?


    I'd ask your manager what the expectation is
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 14th Nov 17, 5:40 PM
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    • 14th Nov 17, 5:40 PM
    Did they terminate the contract?

    If not you are still employed on that contract untill they do terminate it.
    • Masomnia
    • By Masomnia 14th Nov 17, 6:28 PM
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    • 14th Nov 17, 6:28 PM
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    • 14th Nov 17, 6:28 PM
    You've been there 5 years, been told you're redundant and sent home with no consultation?

    Sounds a bit dodge.
    I could see that, if not actually disgruntled, he was far from being gruntled. - P.G. Wodehouse
    • iammumtoone
    • By iammumtoone 14th Nov 17, 6:35 PM
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    • 14th Nov 17, 6:35 PM
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    • 14th Nov 17, 6:35 PM
    Are you sure you were made redundant or told you are at risk of redundancy?
    • Exemplar
    • By Exemplar 15th Nov 17, 8:01 PM
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    • 15th Nov 17, 8:01 PM
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    • 15th Nov 17, 8:01 PM
    Update...

    So - apologies I was very confused.

    I spoke to HR today and received a letter from them.

    It appears that I am being made redundant but have only had 1 consultation meeting and an interview for my own position where I did not meet the criteria set/ person specification (job title has changed from Internal IT to On-Site IT Engineer.

    All of this I get and understand.

    The reason for me going home was that, as part of IT, I have access to portals/ platforms that can potentially damage the company (e.g. Mimecast - I could delete all polices. O365/ Azure/Intune etc etc) so I was sent hoke as I was seen as a security risk, but this was not explained.

    So I'm meeting with HR tomorrow off site and will be asking when I am being made redundant.

    Hopefully that's all I need to do?
    'Just because its on the internet don't believe it 100%'. Abraham Lincoln.
    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 16th Nov 17, 9:52 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 9:52 AM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 9:52 AM
    Update...

    So - apologies I was very confused.

    I spoke to HR today and received a letter from them.

    It appears that I am being made redundant but have only had 1 consultation meeting and an interview for my own position where I did not meet the criteria set/ person specification (job title has changed from Internal IT to On-Site IT Engineer.

    All of this I get and understand.

    The reason for me going home was that, as part of IT, I have access to portals/ platforms that can potentially damage the company (e.g. Mimecast - I could delete all polices. O365/ Azure/Intune etc etc) so I was sent hoke as I was seen as a security risk, but this was not explained.

    So I'm meeting with HR tomorrow off site and will be asking when I am being made redundant.

    Hopefully that's all I need to do?
    Originally posted by Exemplar
    Just ensure you are getting full pay until a decision is made (don't rush it!)
    • Sparx
    • By Sparx 16th Nov 17, 8:18 PM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 8:18 PM
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    • 16th Nov 17, 8:18 PM
    So in effect it sounds like you are 'at risk' of redundancy and have been through the initial selection process. But as a result they have put you on 'garden leave' - as they see you as a risk/threat due to your IT access for the business. This should be on full pay so do not rush as Comms69 suggested.

    I would ask HR tomorrow their expectations, outright ask the timescales and are they putting you on garden leave with full pay? To clarify the intention.

    If I was you, wait to hear from HR tomorrow the timescales on things i.e. are they talking weeks, 1 month or what? I imagine as they have put you on garden leave, they probably want to push things along as quickly as possible...

    Start redoing your CV and applying for new jobs. Unless you want some time away from employment.

    Don't forget re: your pay that you should be receiving full pay during the consultation process. Once redundancy has been confirmed and a date, you should receive your basic pay, payment in lieu of notice (your notice period i.e. 1 month or 5 weeks etc) and your actual redundancy pay for your service.
    Last edited by Sparx; 16-11-2017 at 8:22 PM.
    • Exemplar
    • By Exemplar 17th Nov 17, 6:30 PM
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    • 17th Nov 17, 6:30 PM
    OK - latest update.

    Yes I am on full pay during consultation.

    There are 3 internal jobs that I have the skills for and am applying for.

    1 is permanent
    2 are 3 month secondments

    So the interviews are next week, the last being Thursday PM.

    If successful for the permanent role I will re-start the following Monday. If the secondments I will also start that same day.

    With any of the roles I am free to try them for 4 weeks and the employer can cease if needed and the same for me.

    What I do find interesting is that I am 49 years old, 50 at the very tail end of January 2018, in addition I will have been in 5 years continuous employment on Jan 14th 2018...

    SO.... If I can 'potentially' spin it out past one of those dates I will get more money (especially as I'm taking the Kings coin all the time!).

    Thanks so much for all of the input so far through a very upsetting time.
    'Just because its on the internet don't believe it 100%'. Abraham Lincoln.
    • Hedgehog99
    • By Hedgehog99 17th Nov 17, 6:36 PM
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    How close is the job spec of your current job and the new job they're replacing yours with?

    Surely they're on shaky ground making you redundant if they could have offered you training to bring you up to spec for the new role? (if you'd have agreed?).
    • Sparx
    • By Sparx 17th Nov 17, 8:47 PM
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    The 2-3 month secondment positions - are they still offering you redundancy at the end of it?

    Just checking they are not trying to con you into signing a fixed term contract, then at the end of it telling you the term is up... i.e. no redundancy pay
    • Exemplar
    • By Exemplar 18th Nov 17, 9:21 AM
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    How close is the job spec of your current job and the new job they're replacing yours with?

    Surely they're on shaky ground making you redundant if they could have offered you training to bring you up to spec for the new role? (if you'd have agreed?).
    Originally posted by Hedgehog99
    Good thought, It's a down step, I should be OK. (edit that's not patronising, I can see that it may come across like that, apologies..).

    It's continuous employment too so that counts for a lot!
    'Just because its on the internet don't believe it 100%'. Abraham Lincoln.
    • p00hsticks
    • By p00hsticks 18th Nov 17, 10:01 AM
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    What I do find interesting is that I am 49 years old, 50 at the very tail end of January 2018, in addition I will have been in 5 years continuous employment on Jan 14th 2018...

    SO.... If I can 'potentially' spin it out past one of those dates I will get more money (especially as I'm taking the Kings coin all the time!).
    Originally posted by Exemplar
    If your company pays statutory redundancy, you won't get any more at age 50 than you would at 49. As you've been over 40 for your whole employment then it's one and a half weeks pay for each full year you've been there. Of course, your company could have a more generous scheme.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 18th Nov 17, 10:27 AM
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    If you are generally happy working there then taking the positions gives continuing work/pay and a lot can change in 3 months.

    still due redundancy even on the fixed terms.

    The only issue may be the payout if the salary is lower.
    • Exemplar
    • By Exemplar 20th Nov 17, 7:34 AM
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    If you are generally happy working there then taking the positions gives continuing work/pay and a lot can change in 3 months.

    still due redundancy even on the fixed terms.

    The only issue may be the payout if the salary is lower.
    Originally posted by getmore4less
    It's a fantastic place t work, I consider myself lucky to have worked there for the 4 years 11 months I have!
    'Just because its on the internet don't believe it 100%'. Abraham Lincoln.
    • getmore4less
    • By getmore4less 20th Nov 17, 9:25 AM
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    In that case I would be very enthusiastic about the opportunity to stay if the jobs on offer are suitable.
    • Energize
    • By Energize 3rd Dec 17, 1:45 PM
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    How close is the job spec of your current job and the new job they're replacing yours with?

    Surely they're on shaky ground making you redundant if they could have offered you training to bring you up to spec for the new role? (if you'd have agreed?).
    Originally posted by Hedgehog99
    The new position of field engineer would require driving to remote sites, presumably the op doesn't have a driving licence?
    • Exemplar
    • By Exemplar 20th Dec 17, 4:14 PM
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    Update -

    So I have taken a 4 week trial (3 weeks in now) as Facilities co-ordinator. The pay is 3K less than original. Hours are not as child friendly (meaning that I have to put 1 child into breakfast club 4 mornings a week at a cost of 3.00 per day and an extra 12 miles fuel).

    As it's Christmas and I have not had a full experience of the role I have asked for the 4 week trial to be extended by at least another 2 weeks, hopefully 4. I have been told that my redundancy should not be affected.

    I will update more as I know.

    And yes I do have a full clean license, but I cannot be too far away from the children.
    'Just because its on the internet don't believe it 100%'. Abraham Lincoln.
    • Energize
    • By Energize 20th Dec 17, 8:45 PM
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    In general the IT support roles are turning into field engineer positions as most small to medium businesses don't have the need for in house IT staff anymore. Are you interested in the more in-house IT roles like development?
    • Exemplar
    • By Exemplar 14th May 18, 7:14 PM
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    Update - apologies for the delay.

    I took the money and ran! And am now employed by another (marine) telecoms company on a higher salary with the same conditions/ hours.

    Thanks to all those that gave support.
    'Just because its on the internet don't believe it 100%'. Abraham Lincoln.
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