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Brexit, the economy and house prices part 5
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Thrugelmir wrote: »Might as well be.
Is it just Luxembourg or is it because it is Foreign. I think you should keep your prejudice more hidden.There will be no Brexit dividend for Britain.0 -
Has it really taken you this long to come up with a plan that was written off almost 18 months ago?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/turkey-is-no-model-for-britains-post-brexit-trade-policy/
Not my plan though is it. It seems everyone wants to get to the same destination of frictionless trade but reaching that point is the issue. I reckon it will take at least another 18 months. That's why all parties agree on a transition/implementation period. All I said was Turkey has a customs agreement. We could have one which could be bespoke, if the EU agrees. To me its a compromise which acknowledges the views of remainers.0 -
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Not my plan though is it.
No Moby, it’s not any sort of plan. It’s just words without any substance as per.It seems everyone wants to get to the same destination of frictionless trade but reaching that point is the issue. I reckon it will take at least another 18 months. That's why all parties agree on a transition/implementation period. All I said was Turkey has a customs agreement. We could have one which could be bespoke, if the EU agrees.
For months now you have ripped into the UK and our economy for being weak, insignificant and powerless compared to the might of the EU.
You’ve banged on and on about how they won’t give us anything and that we have to stay in the single market or it’s disaster for us.
Now you think we have a negotiating position because your bestie keir says so, despite not actually saying what that position is.To me its a compromise which acknowledges the views of remainers.
Remainers want stay in the single market don’t they? Not fudge a made up customs union?
The only compromise going on here is that JC has been so pressured into saying *something* before TM does that he’s out of options.0 -
What do you mean "your rather extreme position"?What do you mean meh....
I'm afraid your rather extreme position is quite rightly unacceptable to the EU. We now need to compromise to damage the effects of brexit on our economy and on the Good Friday agreement. Pipe dreams will not wash. Tusk said that only yesterday. Not interested in your report.
If May does have the numbers to win because of the Labour rebels we will have a hard brexit with all the consequences. I don't want that, neither do many others and accepting a Customs Union is a compromise in a vote that after all was 52% to 48%. You'll have your brexit but it'll will be watered down hopefully not with chlorinated chicken to minimise the damage!
The position so "extreme" that our government have been mooting this as a solution for how long now? A year, give or take. Even the EU-funded report I included earlier says it is possible and yet you think it is "rather extreme"!
:rotfl:
There is no "damage the effects of brexit on our economy and on the Good Friday agreement" unless the EU persist in their determination to make it so.(*See below for clarification.) Why then are you not venting your spleen at them?
The only "pipe dreams" are those of people who imagine that the EU negotiators actually want to negotiate and as shown in Tusk's outburst as with others before him, it is obvious that they do not want a deal.
Let's hope the EU Commissioners of the 27 have more foresight than Tusk, Junckers and [STRIKE]gang[/STRIKE] team since any final decision is theirs.
So again, if what you say is true and you really want us to believe your not wanting a WTO Brexit, then you should be aiming your derision at the EU because they are the ones forcing a no-deal Brexit.
Why is that?
Simply because the UK voted to leave the EU and it was made perfectly clear before the referendum that this would mean leaving the single market as well as the other EU-specific conditions of membership.
See below:People were told we would leave customs union and free market if we vote leave. Most of remainers still arguing, are in fact going over the arguments used in referendum which people have already voted on. If a customs union or free trade area means FOM and accepting EU laws I dont see how government can agree those without betraying the result of referendum.0 -
Merkel and Macron are on the world stage negotiating with Putin over Syria. In contrast we are fighting like rats in a sack over Brexit. How far have we fallen in international significance!
They had a phone conversation and Putin told them to get stuffed. Makes a change from them telling the UK to get stuffed.0 -
The only ones "fighting like rats in a sack over Brexit" are remainers like yourself in forums like this , hence your incorrect assumption that the UK has "fallen in international significance".Merkel and Macron are on the world stage negotiating with Putin over Syria. In contrast we are fighting like rats in a sack over Brexit. How far have we fallen in international significance!
It hasn't.
Really it hasn't.
The rest of the world (as in that which is outside the EU) are rightly far more concerned with their own matters to pay any heed to Brexit.
Maybe your opinion is a reaction to the current uncertainty in EU-land?
Merckel's position is not yet assured; the SPD vote will not give clarity until Friday at the earliest and Merckel's position is now far weaker than May's with the German election being a far worse reult for her than May's was.
The EU 27 are already squabbling about the next budget with recent announcements showing very clearly the divisions amongst EU countries. Merckel has already suggested that countries must accept migrants to qualify for EU funding too.
Italian elections look likely to further introduce extremists into another EU country's parliament following that of the Netherlands, Austria, Germany and others. (The UK has not a single extremist/populist/far right seat held in their parliament.)
Then of course there is your stated fear of a no-deal Brexit; all these examples suggest just why such spurious allegations as those quoted are put forward.
Basically, Brexit is drawing nearer but not in the "half-in" way many remainers seem to want.0 -
tracey3596 wrote: »=Moby;73935003]What do you mean "your rather extreme position"?
The position so "extreme" that our government have been mooting this as a solution for how long now? A year, give or take. Even the EU-funded report I included earlier says it is possible and yet you think it is "rather extreme"!
:rotfl:
There is no "damage the effects of brexit on our economy and on the Good Friday agreement" unless the EU persist in their determination to make it so.(*See below for clarification.) Why then are you not venting your spleen at them?
You are just sticking your fingers in your ear and ignoring what everyone of knowledge and the officials of the EU are saying.
As time passes you will see we can't cherry pick a deal. Its' not them being unfair. Its the rules of the club. We chose to leave. Why can't you see that?
See previous answer. They will stay united despite your hopes of fragmentation. The divisions are in this country and you have nothing it seems to offer remainers so those divisions will continue.The only "pipe dreams" are those of people who imagine that the EU negotiators actually want to negotiate and as shown in Tusk's outburst as with others before him, it is obvious that they do not want a deal.
Let's hope the EU Commissioners of the 27 have more foresight than Tusk, Junckers and [STRIKE]gang[/STRIKE] team since any final decision is theirs.So again, if what you say is true and you really want us to believe your not wanting a WTO Brexit, then you should be aiming your derision at the EU because they are the ones forcing a no-deal Brexit.
Why is that?
Simply because the UK voted to leave the EU and it was made perfectly clear before the referendum that this would mean leaving the single market as well as the other EU-specific conditions of membership.
See below:
People voted brexit for all sorts of reasons. To say everyone who voted that way knew what the implications were for the single market and customs union is simply wrong. Also democracy didn't just end in June 2016 and as people begin to see what the implications are for our future of the deal you hard brexiteers are offering, hopefully things will change and a compromise will be agreed that keeps us in some sort of customs union. If we get the deal that you want in contrast everyone will be poorer and we'll be ruled by the likes of Jacob-Rees-Mogg, Johnson, Gove etc. Such types are on the extreme right wing of the tory party. Support for the extremist views they hold is limited. Crunch time is coming!
Also the Irish don't trust them:-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/25/brexit-vision-england-perfidy-over-ireland-good-friday-agreemnt
The SNP are clearly a concern:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/24/brexit-trade-deals-could-ruined-snp-theresa-mays-deputy-warns/
You brexiteers claim you love this country.....look how your extreme views are fragmenting it! Do you seriously believe people will unite behind the likes of Mogg and Johnson????0 -
Can't you see what you are saying here? You are hoping the EU breaks up so you can have your extreme brexit. In other words you are actually wishing for discord and fragmentation abroad. That's a religious zealotry foreign to reasonable people imo.tracey3596 wrote: »The only ones "fighting like rats in a sack over Brexit" are remainers like yourself in forums like this , hence your incorrect assumption that the UK has "fallen in international significance".
It hasn't.
Really it hasn't.
The rest of the world (as in that which is outside the EU) are rightly far more concerned with their own matters to pay any heed to Brexit.
Maybe your opinion is a reaction to the current uncertainty in EU-land?
Merckel's position is not yet assured; the SPD vote will not give clarity until Friday at the earliest and Merckel's position is now far weaker than May's with the German election being a far worse reult for her than May's was.
The EU 27 are already squabbling about the next budget with recent announcements showing very clearly the divisions amongst EU countries. Merckel has already suggested that countries must accept migrants to qualify for EU funding too.
Italian elections look likely to further introduce extremists into another EU country's parliament following that of the Netherlands, Austria, Germany and others. (The UK has not a single extremist/populist/far right seat held in their parliament.)
Then of course there is your stated fear of a no-deal Brexit; all these examples suggest just why such spurious allegations as those quoted are put forward.
Basically, Brexit is drawing nearer but not in the "half-in" way many remainers seem to want.0 -
Ok what's the alternative? Be critical of what I'm saying fair enough but at least provide your scenario? What's your suggestion to unify the divisions in this country while standing up to the 27 states lined up against us?No Moby, it!!!8217;s not any sort of plan. It!!!8217;s just words without any substance as per.
For months now you have ripped into the UK and our economy for being weak, insignificant and powerless compared to the might of the EU.
You!!!8217;ve banged on and on about how they won!!!8217;t give us anything and that we have to stay in the single market or it!!!8217;s disaster for us.
Now you think we have a negotiating position because your bestie keir says so, despite not actually saying what that position is.
Remainers want stay in the single market don!!!8217;t they? Not fudge a made up customs union?
The only compromise going on here is that JC has been so pressured into saying *something* before TM does that he!!!8217;s out of options.0
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