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    • Jay2017
    • By Jay2017 9th Oct 17, 7:33 PM
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    PCM Issued parking ticket at Hayes & Harlington Station
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    • 9th Oct 17, 7:33 PM
    PCM Issued parking ticket at Hayes & Harlington Station 9th Oct 17 at 7:33 PM
    Hi All

    I got a letter in the post from PCM issuing a fine for dropping someone off outside Hayes and Harlington station (High Point Village). As I have been made aware by the forums there is a 10 min grace period when dropping people off and will highlight this in the appeal.

    I am writing to find out if anyone has been successful with getting PCM off their back (based on the 10 min window) by following the instructions in the newbies thread? And what sort of response they had to that defence?

    I have read through previous postings regarding the same company / incident location but can't seem to find what the resolution was.

    Any advice or pointers would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Jay
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 9th Oct 17, 7:36 PM
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    you willl find that parking companies reject the vast majority of appeals no matter what is said , so its unlikey to work (even if it is mentioned)

    as this was a station , POFA2012 does not apply , bylaws apply

    so do not reveal who the owner or driver are, appeal as KEEPER only , expect a rejection and then ignore unless you get court papers

    the NEWBIES faq sticky thread does explain all of this
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 9th Oct 17, 7:39 PM
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    • 9th Oct 17, 7:39 PM
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    • 9th Oct 17, 7:39 PM
    Read this


    http://www.parkingcowboys.co.uk/byelaws/
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 9th Oct 17, 7:39 PM
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    • 9th Oct 17, 7:39 PM
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    Please first confirm the name of the parking company as there are several with the same or similar initials who belong to different ATAs, meaning that the appeal templates are different.

    If the car park belongs to the station, then railway byelaws probably apply. If this is the case then you should add that point to the initial appeal template, plus the point that the scammers have failed to allow the grace period(s) stipulated by their ATA, so they should cancel fifthwith.
    Don't hold your breath though.

    Make sure you do not reveal the identity of the driver. Only ever refer to The Driver and The Keeper.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
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    • Jay2017
    • By Jay2017 10th Mar 18, 7:03 PM
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    • 10th Mar 18, 7:03 PM
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    • 10th Mar 18, 7:03 PM
    Hi all

    I've been advised to post into this thread instead of the new one created so here goes:

    I have received a second Gladstone's letter saying 'we now may be instructed to take legal action against you.... reply within 14 days to avoid any further action'. The letter is from Gladstone's as the reference number starts with a 1 (saw this in another thread).

    Refusing to pay as the car wasn't parked - as in the photo a passenger was dropped off by the driver outside the station. There are no signs saying that drivers can't drop off passengers. The photo that was taken was off the passenger getting out the car.

    At the time wedid not reply to their letters because a friend advised not to as he ignored all letters and didn't get a courts summons and I couldn't find any cases on the forums where people have replied saying they have been successful (having the fine removed) in following the advise posted. Still can't seem to find a post on that.

    I've read posts about Gladstone's Letters but the ones I've read go into how the letter isn't from Gladstones etc etc.

    @Redx has suggested to ignore the Gladstones letter. Is this the case? Have there been cases where people have responded to the Gladstone letter and what was the outcome?

    If this can't be solved or is too late - let me know and I'll pay the fine.
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 10th Mar 18, 7:13 PM
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    • 10th Mar 18, 7:13 PM
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    • 10th Mar 18, 7:13 PM
    Are you saying you didn't send the initial appeal as you were advised to do, but instead listened to someone who probably is still inside the six years that a PPC can start court?

    You haven't told us if this was a station car park covered by byelaws either, or the name of the PPC.
    Last edited by Fruitcake; 10-03-2018 at 7:16 PM.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

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    • waamo
    • By waamo 10th Mar 18, 7:14 PM
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    • 10th Mar 18, 7:14 PM
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    • 10th Mar 18, 7:14 PM
    Read this, yes all of it, then tell us the full name of the parking company

    http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4816822
    This space for hire.
    • bergkamp
    • By bergkamp 10th Mar 18, 7:47 PM
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    • 10th Mar 18, 7:47 PM
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    • 10th Mar 18, 7:47 PM
    http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/gladstones-epic-fail-hayes-and.html
    • Fruitcake
    • By Fruitcake 10th Mar 18, 8:12 PM
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    • 10th Mar 18, 8:12 PM
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    • 10th Mar 18, 8:12 PM
    I don't think we are going to get anywhere unless the OP comes back and actually answers our questions.
    I married my cousin. I had to...
    I don't have a sister.

    All my screwdrivers are cordless.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 10th Mar 18, 10:32 PM
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    If this can't be solved or is too late - let me know and I'll pay the fine.
    Originally posted by Jay2017
    It is not a fine.

    No-one here pays.

    Same as the letter on HUNDREDS of threads, posted yet again today by remylou (really, no need):

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2eusta8&s=9#.WqRdfOjFLIV

    You can ignore a letter that asks for payment to a debt collector and if it is not a real LBC it will not be enclosing PAP reply forms, as required in alleged debt claims.

    Later we expect you to get a real LBC, and then a claim, and then we expect you to WIN.

    People who do go on to get a court claim, win 99% of the time here, when fully coached.

    No worries. A roller coaster for you this year to beat it, but it's very, very winnable.

    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 10-03-2018 at 10:37 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 11th Mar 18, 12:06 PM
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    If/when you get a real claim come back to us. Solicitors have to jump through a huge number of hoops to comply with CPRs, and few of these down market law firms manage to. Google "you've been Gladstoned" + "parking prankster".

    This is an entirely unregulated industry which is scamming the public with inflated claims for minor breaches of contracts for alleged parking offences.

    Parking Eye, Smart and a smaller company have already been named and shamed, as has Gladstones Solicitors, and BW Legal, (these two law firms take hundreds of these cases to court each year). They nearly always lose) and have been reported to the regulatory authority by an M.P.

    The problem has become so rampant that MPs have agreed to enact a Bill to regulate these scammers. Watch the video of the Second Reading in the HofC recently.

    http://parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41

    and complain in the most robust terms to your MP. With a fair wind most of these companies may well be put out of business by Christmas.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • Jay2017
    • By Jay2017 12th Mar 18, 1:16 PM
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    Location
    Hi there

    this was outside the Stay City Hotel next to Hayes and Harlington Station. The original company to send the letters were Parking Control Management (PCM). The details are the same as the post PCM Parking Charge at Hayes and Harlington Station - although she replied/appealed at the notice to keeper stage.

    What now? Letter to MP? Letter to Gladstones? Wait for court summons then face them there?
    Last edited by Jay2017; 12-03-2018 at 1:21 PM. Reason: mistake
    • Jay2017
    • By Jay2017 14th Mar 18, 11:03 AM
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    Hi all - just wondering if the owner of the vehicle can have the driver represent the case in court or does it have to be the person named on the letter?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 14th Mar 18, 11:14 AM
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    Hi all - just wondering if the owner of the vehicle can have the driver represent the case in court or does it have to be the person named on the letter?
    Originally posted by Jay2017
    The person named on the Notice to Keeper has to be present (the Defendant), but they can have someone present their case for them. But if the defence is based on 'No Keeper Liability', having the driver present the case is really tempting fate!

    Google 'Civil Court Lay Representative' and while you're at it do the same on 'McKenzie Friend' to understand the difference and what each can/cannot do on behalf of the Defendant
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 14th Mar 18, 5:37 PM
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    Hi all - just wondering if the owner of the vehicle can have the driver represent the case in court or does it have to be the person named on the letter?
    Originally posted by Jay2017
    Obviously the defendant must be there.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • Jay2017
    • By Jay2017 16th Mar 18, 5:31 PM
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    Thanks for your replies - the defendant has refused to go to court so we will wait (if) a court summons arrives and pay at that stage - if that is an option?
    • waamo
    • By waamo 16th Mar 18, 6:12 PM
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    You have the option to pay right up till you walk into the hearing room. If you want to pay in cash on the steps of the county court that's fine and allowable.
    This space for hire.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 17th Mar 18, 1:19 AM
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    It is not a moral option on this forum to pay PCM.

    Absolute madness.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
    Top of the page: Home>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking - read the 'NEWBIES' FAQS thread!
    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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