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Reasonable is what it costs to replace the same locks and keys since the previous ones have now become redundant (in terms of doing what it is intended to do, protect your friends and their property). Your friends opted for a property with an expensive lock, unfortunately, that comes with a higher cost to replace. An expensive lesson to learn about being double careful not to lose keys.0
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Thanks for the responses.
It looks like I am not gonna win the argument!
Ok, so if the tenant is responsible for bearing the cost, what is a "reasonable" amount? This term has been used in the contract. Btw, the tenant is happy to pay for duplicating the keys. But not for full cost of an expensive lock!
Whatever it costs to replace like for like.0 -
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Also, the keys are not identifiable and hence you cannot trace them back to the flat. So how will someone know where you live if they found the keys on the street? We are talking about busy, busy London!!
but there's no guarantee that the keys haven't been lost alongside other identifiable info (e.g. in a handbag that contains letters etc), or deliberately stolen by someone who knows the person and where they live.0 -
When I lost my keys (my whole bag actually) i told my landlord. I said nothing in my bag has the address for the house on it so no way to trace them back. He was happy with that and gave me the spare key so I could get a new one cut.
If they are definitely lost and not stolen with no way to trace them back to the house I'd agree to the cost of new keys but not a whole new lock as that seems unnecessary.0 -
WibblyGirly wrote: »When I lost my keys (my whole bag actually) i told my landlord. I said nothing in my bag has the address for the house on it so no way to trace them back. He was happy with that and gave me the spare key so I could get a new one cut.
If they are definitely lost and not stolen with no way to trace them back to the house I'd agree to the cost of new keys but not a whole new lock as that seems unnecessary.
What if they were dropped in the front garden or on the street in front of the house? If they are lost, chances are nobody who finds them will know what house they are for, but it can’t be guaranteed and it’s fair enough if the landlord doesn’t want to take that risk, it’s also not fair to expect the other tenant to take the risk, it might invalidate their insurance.0 -
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I understand that it is a bit irresponsible to lose a set of keys but you cannot let the tenant bear the full cost. - why not? the loss of keys was fully due to the tenant so the cost should be fully theirs.
I am not sure what brand the current locks are, but wouldn't it be fair for the tenants to pay only part of the cost? The lock is going to outlast the tenancy agreement.- the old locks with lost keys would have outlasted the tenancy agreement, so the LL has the right to be put back in the same position as before the loss - ie with working locks at the end of the agreement. So why should the tenant pay for the full price of a new lock (not even some deteriorated one)!- yes, it should be the cost of second hand locks, but these are fairly sturdy things so I expect the cost of a working, 2nd hand lock to be the same / close to a new one.
Tenant was 'irresponsible' in losing keys, so they must put the LL back in the same position at the tenant's cost: ie full cost of replacing locks to the same quality as before.Also, the keys are not identifiable and hence you cannot trace them back to the flat. So how will someone know where you live if they found the keys on the street? We are talking about busy, busy London!!
The tenant can't guarantee where / how the keys were lost, ie could have been stolen from their person, lost with other identifiable items, lost in an identifiable place (e.g. the garden, tenant's locker etc)Ok, so if the tenant has to bear the full cost of replacing the locks, shouldn't they at least have a say on what to replace it with? How can the landlord chose the brand, decide all the costs involved and ask for "cash" without producing any receipts? I just feel there is something not right here...
No, the brand/type etc is determined by the existing locks, not arbitrarily decided by either the tenant or LL.
I think its time to stop arguing and be more careful with keys next time!0 -
Another point, say your friends have just pocketed the keys for a later date. After their tenancy has finished, they could return and steal from the new tenant.0
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Maybe a question should be is the tenant responsible enough to look after important property keys? - you'll be in this same position again0
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