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    • Paddy McGinty
    • By Paddy McGinty 13th Sep 17, 7:16 PM
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    Old dog, strange behaviour.
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    • 13th Sep 17, 7:16 PM
    Old dog, strange behaviour. 13th Sep 17 at 7:16 PM
    Hope someone who's experienced this, might shine a light on what my old dog is going through and how to help us. I wrote about Jaffa's death and Paddy's adoption years back.







    I adopted him aged 9 I was told, a Cocker Spaniel. So 16 or 17now is the Vet's estimate.




    He is now completely blind due to cataracts.






    He's happy. We go on short walks, always on lead, he has a new garden to explore, banging his head along the way until I guide him to the step.




    My problem is he won't stay in the same room as me.


    He has two beds. One in the kitchen and the other beside me in the sitting room.


    He won't leave his bed in the kitchen. Last night I tried to get him in with me and stroked him. He couldn't wait to escape back to his kitchen bed.
    What to do?
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    • Alter ego
    • By Alter ego 13th Sep 17, 7:20 PM
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    Let him lie in the kitchen bed.
    Ignore me if you like, it's not the real me anyway.
    • Paddy McGinty
    • By Paddy McGinty 13th Sep 17, 8:36 PM
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    • 13th Sep 17, 8:36 PM
    Let him lie in the kitchen bed.
    Originally posted by Alter ego
    The kitchen space will be no more as the Council will be ripping it out.
    I'm asking why he won't engage anymore with me? Dogs, especially when old or sick mostly want to be close to their owner.


    If he was depressed, I'd think about PTS, but he's happy and loves his Orijen, followed by a treat.
    Its the disengage that's doing me. I want my dog beside me to stroke and cuddle.


    What's the point of a dog who I only see at meal times? I love him of course I do, but why won't he come in the same room as me? I'm asking really, is he preparing to die? Is this why he's separating himself from me?
    • thorsoak
    • By thorsoak 13th Sep 17, 8:39 PM
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    It shouldn't be about what you want, after all this time - it should be about what he wants. However, if there is going to be a problem when the council will be ripping out the kitchen, then move his kitchen bed into your bedroom. That is obviously the bed he prefers. Just don't over-think things.
    • McKneff
    • By McKneff 13th Sep 17, 9:01 PM
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    • 13th Sep 17, 9:01 PM
    Any reason why he is not being treated for his cataracys. I presume they are no different to human ones
    make the most of it, we are only here for the weekend.
    and we will never, ever return.
    • krlyr
    • By krlyr 13th Sep 17, 9:24 PM
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    • 13th Sep 17, 9:24 PM
    Dogs can suffer canine dementia which can cause unusual behaviours. If you haven't already, an MOT at the vet to check for new or changes in existing health issues is worthwhile with any change in behaviour.
    • dandy-candy
    • By dandy-candy 14th Sep 17, 10:17 AM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 10:17 AM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 10:17 AM
    I doubt it's anything to do with you, could it be that something is different in the sitting room? Does he maybe not like the noise of the TV? Or is the kitchen warmer? Or maybe he likes being near his water and food bowls?
    • Red-Squirrel
    • By Red-Squirrel 14th Sep 17, 1:51 PM
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    • 14th Sep 17, 1:51 PM
    Any reason why he is not being treated for his cataracys. I presume they are no different to human ones
    Originally posted by McKneff
    My dog has them too, my vet said they don't tend to do anything about them as sight is not nearly as important to dogs as to humans, and the stress/risk/pain/recovery period is not worth it for them.

    They do adapt, smell is their main sense I think, followed by hearing.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 14th Sep 17, 8:41 PM
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    Cost is a big factor in surgery for cataracts in dogs. Not all are suitable for surgery.

    Surgery would be a unlikely for an elderly who would need an aneasthetic.

    When a dog loses one sense the other senses become more alert so he may be upset by some noise in the sitting room. It may be a noise that you are not aware of
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 26th Sep 17, 2:26 PM
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    I suspect dementia too.


    Joly the elder of my two 14 year-old cavaliers, has changed his behaviour. He has almost lost the sight in one eye and is rather unsteady on his legs now, but the vet says he is quite happy in his own world.


    Joly has gone the opposite to your dog, as he doesn't like being left,even with the other dog. He used to be a real mummy's boy,crying when ever I left him, even with my husband,but now he doesn't wag his tail at me (where once he would bark in joy that I was back),but he comes tome quickly enough if I have treats or am eating anything and prowls round his bowl at feeding time.


    He does recognize us, though, which is odd. I say this because my husband takes him to the corner,while I walk the other dog further,picking them up on the way back and he never follows anyone else passing by.


    I think that as long as they are happy,we have to put up with their little ways,just like us humans, many of whom go odd later in life.
    • Soot2006
    • By Soot2006 27th Sep 17, 12:40 PM
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    Dementia does affect dogs and they revert to their comfort zones.

    Having said that, my dog from the age of about 5-6 decided she wanted to sleep in a different room. Whatever room I enter, she leaves it to go sleep somewhere else. Awake, she's super sociable and wants company, but she clearly likes her own space to sleep! (now there is a puppy in the house, she won't even be on the same floor of the house as the rest of us - if we're upstairs, she's downstairs and vice versa).
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 27th Sep 17, 12:57 PM
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    Have you tried swopping the beds. He may prefer the kitchen bed for some reason. He may feel more secure on it.

    Check the position of the sitting room bed- could he be getting a draft? Is it noisy? If he is blind his hearing may be more acute.

    Get down to his level in the bed and see if you can feel or hear anything that might be upsetting him.

    One of my dogs uses the upstairs bed when my husband is up there working on the computer, at present in stretched out in the bed in the lounge, but ever night at 8.30pm he takes himself off to the bed in the kitchen.
    • teddysmum
    • By teddysmum 27th Sep 17, 4:18 PM
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    My old boys are both deaf, one has no sight in one eye and the others site is fading, according to the vet (this is supported by the fact that he now barks at passing cars and wheelie bins, when it's dark).
    • Flibertigibit
    • By Flibertigibit 30th Oct 17, 5:10 PM
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    This is an excellent article on "Old Dog Syndrome", otherwise known as dementia https://www.seniortailwaggers.com/old-dog-syndrome.html The whole site is full of excellent advice re caaring for older dogs.
    • Katieowl
    • By Katieowl 25th Nov 17, 7:24 AM
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    My oldest girl (12) is now deaf, has cataracts and dementia. She's lost all her manners (especially around food) and spends a lot of time barking for no reason we can fathom, and is very restless at night. I'm on a natural health forum for dogs on FB and this has come up a couple of times, the first suggestion I tried was a suppliment called Melatonin, which did nothing, but you might want to investigate CBD oil I've now had several half decent nights sleep She's still waking up but if I put the lights on and point to her bed she goes in it again and usually drops off.
    • sheramber
    • By sheramber 25th Nov 17, 2:31 PM
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    I found one of my elderly dogs, who was unsettled at night, settled when I left a night light on.
    • Jojo the Tightfisted
    • By Jojo the Tightfisted 28th Nov 17, 8:02 PM
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    It might be more comfortable/a nicer bed/warmer/cooler/smells nicer in the bed in the kitchen, it might be that it's quieter so he can hear what's going on better (the TV could be making it difficult for him to differentiate between sounds) - or that he's in pain from something else - a lot of animals follow an instinct to be alone when they're ill/in pain, rather than be clingy.

    It's worth getting him checked out at the vet's in case there's arthritis or something else making him less sociable.
    I could dream to wide extremes, I could do or die: I could yawn and be withdrawn and watch the world go by.

    Yup you are officially Rock n Roll
    Originally posted by colinw
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