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    • swoon
    • By swoon 12th Sep 17, 2:20 PM
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    Glastones PCN/Northampton County Court
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    • 12th Sep 17, 2:20 PM
    Glastones PCN/Northampton County Court 12th Sep 17 at 2:20 PM
    Hello, I'm a new to all of this, so do bear with me.

    Having corresponded with Parking Control Management about a PCN issued to me on 17/11/2016, I have this morning just received a claim form from the Northampton County Court Business Centre, and need some advice.

    The PCN issued was for not displaying a valid parking permit to park in the car park of my partner's flat. It is a car park for the estate where he resides.

    On 16/11/2016, I parked my car in a parking space, and my partner who was with me at the time, put the valid parking permit on the dash. The permit only states the day it was valid from, in this case, June 2009.

    Returning to my car the next day, a PCN was pinned to my car with the reason that a valid parking permit was not displayed. I put the PCN back on the windscreen and took photographs. Went online to file an appeal, but could not until 24 hours had elapsed from the time of the notice. I appealed the next day and attached the photographs as evidence.

    I looked at the parking companies photographic evidence online, 11 photos, all of which showed no picture of my permit which was resting on the dashboard. Most of their photographs were taken from a distance, straight on, and those that were taken close up to the car were done so in such a way, they seemed conveniently to angle out where the permit was.

    24 hours later my appeal was rejected as their photographic evidence showed. I rang Parking Control Management who told me that they do not accept photographic evidence submitted online, even though there is an attachment button on their website, I attached and it went through. I was told to submit the evidence via writing, which I did.

    7 days later, the appeal was rejected on the ground that the initial decision had been made. And that I need to pay the 100 fine within 7 days. Feeling totally annoyed at this situation, I did not pay anything as I felt the decision was unfair and the fact that I can prove that I did display a valid permit. It did feel that I was being defrauded and lied to.

    Anyhow, since November 2016, I received a letter, every 6-8 weeks asking me to pay the fine, giving me options on how to pay the fine, and a reduced payment offer. Eventually the letters changed from being sent from PCM to Gladstone Solicitors.

    On 11/7/17, I received quite a threatening letter from Gladstones, asking me now to pay 160 for the offence. I replied, and attached the photographic evidence. On 15/8/17 received a letter still stating that their client's photo evidence proves that the vehicle was left unattended with no permit on display, and I am liable.

    Now, I obviously feel that they are trying to extort money from me by means of fraud and deception. I am going to send the acknowledgment of service to the court, but as I am away for 10 days tomorrow in Spain, will file a defence when I am back as have 28 days to do so.

    Where do I start? Can they fleece me even more as the total now stands at 244.37

    Thanks
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    • Redx
    • By Redx 12th Sep 17, 3:05 PM
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    • 12th Sep 17, 3:05 PM
    you need to read and follow the advice in the NEWBIES sticky thread, post #2

    especially read the BARGEPOLE posts , do the AOS online, to extend the time for the defence from 14 to 28 days , then get a shift on when you come back in preparing your defence

    read maybe a dozen other similar threads and do what they are doing , read their defences and prepare your own

    and edit your post to remove any idea of who did what

    the only acceptable terms are

    THE DRIVER

    THE KEEPER

    no "ME , MYSELF or I"
    Newbies !!
    Private Parking ticket? check the 2 sticky threads by coupon-mad and crabman in the Parking Tickets, Fines & Parking Board forum for the latest advice or maybe try pepipoo or C.A.G. or legal beagles forums if you need legal advice as well because this parking forum is not about debt collectors or legal matters per se
    • swoon
    • By swoon 12th Sep 17, 3:29 PM
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    • 12th Sep 17, 3:29 PM
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    • 12th Sep 17, 3:29 PM
    Ok, will do.

    Just hope it goes in my favour. So much time and effort for doing nothing wrong and obeying the parking companies terms and conditions.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 12th Sep 17, 3:48 PM
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    • 12th Sep 17, 3:48 PM
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    • 12th Sep 17, 3:48 PM
    Ok, will do.

    Just hope it goes in my favour. So much time and effort for doing nothing wrong and obeying the parking companies terms and conditions.
    Originally posted by swoon
    Another residential case where Gladstones are on the high
    board and there is no water left in the pool ?

    Judges are not impressed by the incompetent Gladstones

    With a good defence they will probably discontinue but not
    before they try to offer one last ditch chance of a discount

    A shabby firm with shabby tactics
    RBS - MNBA - CAPITAL ONE - LLOYDS

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    • swoon
    • By swoon 1st Nov 17, 10:41 PM
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    • 1st Nov 17, 10:41 PM
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    • 1st Nov 17, 10:41 PM
    Just some help, I am filling out my N180 for an offence which Gladstones Solicitors are representing the claimants. I want to go to oral hearing at a court of my choice which is close by to where the alleged offence occured, 60 miles from my home. The reason for this is because the witness I am asking to provide evidence is disabled and cannot travel the 60 miles to my home court. Would this be acceptable>
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 2nd Nov 17, 4:17 AM
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    • 2nd Nov 17, 4:17 AM
    Either ask the court to move it (if the other party agrees) or get your Witness to do a Statement and submit it. A written statement is usually enough.
    About me: Capricorn. Likes: Tight defences, the tighter the better. Lucidity. Dislikes: Loquaciousness and magic words. WLTM: Someone with the facts, a private income and their own copy of the White Book.
    • swoon
    • By swoon 2nd Nov 17, 2:46 PM
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    • 2nd Nov 17, 2:46 PM
    I just had the solicitors for the claimant's N180 this morning with them seeking the usual special directions that the case be dealt with on the papers and without the need of an oral hearing, which I am not going to agree to. The N180 they sent is totally blank though they say on the letter it is completed.....are they trying to be funny, clever, or what?
    Last edited by swoon; 02-11-2017 at 2:48 PM.
    • Lamilad
    • By Lamilad 2nd Nov 17, 5:47 PM
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    So they have failed to serve the DQ... Make sure you file and serve yours in time.

    Wait til about a week after deadline then write to CCBC (copying in PCM) pointing out their failure to comply with the compulsory requirements of CPR 26.3 and asking the court to issue an order requiring the claimant to serve the DQ within 7 days pursuant to CPR 26.3 (7A)(a) and reminding them that failure to do so must will result in a strike out, as per CPR 26.3 (7A)(b)
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 2nd Nov 17, 6:24 PM
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    • 2nd Nov 17, 6:24 PM
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    • 2nd Nov 17, 6:24 PM
    Depending on what your BF's lease says, the PPC may be in for a good kicking if they take it to court.

    Read this

    https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?377246-UKPC-liable-for-trespass-**SUCCESS**

    What does his AST or lease say? If he is a tenant, what does his landlord's lease say about parking. If the PPC is attempting to interfere with his right to quiet enjoyment, they could end up paying him for their impertinence, but we need more information.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 2nd Nov 17, 7:02 PM
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    I just had the solicitors for the claimant's N180 this morning with them seeking the usual special directions that the case be dealt with on the papers and without the need of an oral hearing, which I am not going to agree to. The N180 they sent is totally blank though they say on the letter it is completed.....are they trying to be funny, clever, or what?
    Originally posted by swoon
    Gladstones has now reached the pinnacle of complete and
    utter incompetence

    NO PAPERS .... I get the feeling that Gladstones are getting
    very scared to appear in front of a judge.

    Gladstones are known to courts as incompetent and
    timewasters

    The people to feel sorry for are the cowboy PPC's who
    think by instructing Gladstones is good, they must be living
    in cloud 9

    This forum is full of Gladstones failures and will continue
    to demonstrate total incompetence of this incompetent solicitor

    The question is, when a PPC signs up to the Gladstones IPC/IAS
    scam, are they then forced to use Gladstones to proceed to court ??

    If so, if you are a PPC, YOU are possibly part of a scam and that would
    explain why this solicitor costs you a lot of money ... win or lose

    Time to wake up, smell the coffee and IF you need an ATA return to
    the BPA, at least for the moment.

    I say for the moment because the Private Members Bill in the new year
    might make the BPA defunct and will make the IPC/IAS a complete
    load of junk which of course they are now
    Last edited by beamerguy; 02-11-2017 at 7:38 PM.
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    • swoon
    • By swoon 27th Jun 18, 4:06 PM
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    Okay, I am going to Croydon County Court this Friday with a witness to contest this ticket as Gladstone have taken it this far. Was away on holiday, but beforehand I sent all paperwork needed and relying on to both the court and Gladstones. Returned and Gladstones had sent me their evidence. This morning, I received a letter from Gladstones stating that their client and the claimant (Parking Control Management) will not be attending the hearing and they have asked the Court to decide the claim in our clien'ts absence based on the evidence submitted.

    I will be attending, but does this mean that Gladstones will not be attending or will they send some hired for the day lackey?
    • Umkomaas
    • By Umkomaas 27th Jun 18, 6:05 PM
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    A PPC very rarely expose their chins in front of a Judge. Gladstones never attend, but more often than not a 'gun for hire' legal is sent.

    Get there early, at least half an hour before, and check with the usher if they have sent anyone. If there is a representative, make sure you do not accept anything he or she might hand over to you. Politely refuse it and ask them to tell the Judge about what it is they are trying to pass you.
    We cannot provide you with a silver bullet to get you out of this. You have to be in for the long run, and need to involve yourself in research and work for you to get rid of this. It is not simple. We will help, but can't do it for you.

    Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime.
    • IamEmanresu
    • By IamEmanresu 27th Jun 18, 6:22 PM
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    or will they send some hired for the day lackey?
    They are not sending anyone and if they do, suggest to the judge that as they haven't provided a Witness for the Witness Statement that their evidence is hearsay. As such it should either be discounted or taken as questionable.

    There is no one to explain the photos and suggest to the judge that they are wasting valuable court time and cost. Ask that a) you are given your costs and b) under CPR 27.14 2(g) they make a further payment which you will donate to a legal charity (for those suffering from Gladstones claims)
    About me: Capricorn. Likes: Tight defences, the tighter the better. Lucidity. Dislikes: Loquaciousness and magic words. WLTM: Someone with the facts, a private income and their own copy of the White Book.
    • swoon
    • By swoon 28th Jun 18, 1:06 PM
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    Ok thanks for that....mot letting these charlatans commit fraud. When is the law going to change? Get these cowboys out of business.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 28th Jun 18, 1:09 PM
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    Ok thanks for that....mot letting these charlatans commit fraud. When is the law going to change? Get these cowboys out of business.
    Originally posted by swoon
    Tell us that YOU sent your WS and evidence in time...? Hope so. Not the defence.

    This morning, I received a letter from Gladstones stating that their client and the claimant (Parking Control Management) will not be attending the hearing and they have asked the Court to decide the claim in our client's absence based on the evidence submitted.
    Someone lost one last week, even after getting that!

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=74440928#post74440928
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 28-06-2018 at 1:11 PM.
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    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • KeithP
    • By KeithP 28th Jun 18, 1:10 PM
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    When is the law going to change? Get these cowboys out of business.
    Originally posted by swoon
    You need to do your bit to help that happen.

    Have a look at this video and complain robustly to your Member of Parliament:

    parliamentlive.tv/event/index/2f0384f2-eba5-4fff-ab07-cf24b6a22918?in=12:49:41
    .
    • swoon
    • By swoon 28th Jun 18, 1:41 PM
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    Yes all witness statements and defence submitted. Have confidence they basically lied saying I had no permit displayed which I did. Have the photographic evidence and the witness statement to prove that. Bunch of fraudulent chancers.
    Last edited by swoon; 28-06-2018 at 1:45 PM. Reason: Added to text
    • swoon
    • By swoon 30th Jun 18, 4:00 PM
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    Went to court yesterday. Gladstones didn't show. Case dismissed in my favour and I was awarded costs, for Gladstones/PCM to pay within two weeks. What a waste of court time, my time and taxpayers' money.
    • swoon
    • By swoon 14th Jul 18, 3:52 PM
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    Need some advice. Parking Control Management did not pay my costs as laid down by the above court case....they had to pay by end of day, yesterday. Well, no cheque arrived.

    Do I give them a few days grace or just get on the phone to them on Monday morning, ask where is my money and inform them that daily interest will be charged to the debt until payment is made?
    • Quentin
    • By Quentin 14th Jul 18, 3:59 PM
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    Write and ask for payment by return otherwise you will commence enforcement proceedings at their expense
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