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    • rmg1
    • By rmg1 6th Sep 17, 1:03 PM
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    Cigarette ends and "fines"
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    • 6th Sep 17, 1:03 PM
    Cigarette ends and "fines" 6th Sep 17 at 1:03 PM
    Hi all

    I know this isn't a motoring issue but I'm hoping it will follow the same lines.

    I've just been handed an 80 "fine" from a 3rd-party company working on behalf of my local council because I dropped my cigarette end on the floor (apparently it's caught on camera, although I haven't seen the footage).

    There are no bins/ashtrays in the vicinity for approx 1/4 mile in either direction.

    The advice I was given when I queried the fine was to "put it in my pocket" (meaning the cigarette end).

    According to the on-the-spot paperwork I was given there is no automatic right of appeal (although, after speaking to the 3rd-party company, I can take it to Magistrates court).

    Anyone any ideas on my next steps?
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    • waamo
    • By waamo 7th Sep 17, 12:51 PM
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    I suggest the OP goes to pepipoo.com, they do have some legal people on there and is more likely to get an accurate answer.
    Originally posted by peter_the_piper
    As the OP seems to have missed it this is the correct answer.
    This space for hire.
    • Snakes Belly
    • By Snakes Belly 7th Sep 17, 6:04 PM
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    Interesting article which might be worth a read.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4497068/Mother-26-fined-1-000-dropped-cigarette-butt.html
    • beamerguy
    • By beamerguy 7th Sep 17, 6:27 PM
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    Originally posted by Snakes Belly
    Hmm ...... whilst I want to see our country clean of litter, what this
    lady did was nothing compared to the fly tippers.

    Instead of such a large fine, surely community service would be
    better and they can work cleaning up other people's litter
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    • forgotmyname
    • By forgotmyname 7th Sep 17, 10:13 PM
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    Cannot afford carpets for the childs room but can afford iphones and smoking etc etc?
    Punctuation, Spelling and Grammar will be used sparingly. Due to rising costs of inflation.

    My contribution to MSE. Other contributions will only be used if they cost me nothing.

    Due to me being a tight git.
    • Snakes Belly
    • By Snakes Belly 8th Sep 17, 9:17 AM
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    I think that they must have been making an example of this lady but it just goes to show what they can do especially if litter in the town is becoming a big problem.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 8th Sep 17, 10:04 AM
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    It's not the way forward though, fines are NOT the right way to change people's behaviour in a way that isn't aggressive and 'Big Brother' like.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
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    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • youdontsay
    • By youdontsay 11th Feb 18, 5:29 PM
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    cigarette end fines
    The issue for me with this is that this has nothing to do with keeping the environment litter free and everything to do with unscrupulous ways of making money. I dont smoke, I am something of a smoke-phobic, in that I would avoid being where there are people smoking. But, how the councils think that its ok to pay private firms for this 'service' is beyond me.

    A relative of mine got caught with this. The lazy wardens hang out in places like train stations, where smokers havent had a cigarette for a while and light up when they get off and a five minute walk away, they prey like vultures.

    The thing was this. The warden didnt request that they pick up the litter. Neither did the warden pick up the litter. The offending cigarette end still lies on the floor, littering the environment. So the situation is not improved, but unsuspecting person is more than 100 worse off.

    I am much less offended by a discarded cigarette end than I am by an abandoned soiled nappy etc etc And yet we see these things all the time around our pavements.

    Somebody, one day, sat down and had the brainwave of slapping big fines for tiny pieces of litter (whereas the huge offenders, fly tippers etc are ignored) and they are laughing all the way to the bank Kerching indeed !!
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Feb 18, 5:32 PM
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    Exactly like the scam of private parking fake PCNs.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
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    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • boliston
    • By boliston 11th Feb 18, 6:31 PM
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    There are some videos on youtube about litter wardens and they certainly seem to go after easy targets who look like they would not cause any aggro if fined - as i understand it they cannot detain as they are not police and can only ask for your details but that if you walk away they can only follow you and not physically detain - it would not be so bad if they went after chavs who chuck cans and food wrappers but they don't as they know most chavs would just tell them to f off
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Feb 18, 6:33 PM
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    they certainly seem to go after easy targets who look like they would not cause any aggro if fined
    Course they do, like parking firms choose victims to sue who have offered hopeless appeals, or no appeals. And like the litter scumbags, they too hide round corners waiting to pounce with fines, or use the jolly wheeze of remote ANPR cameras that drivers do not even know are there.

    Litter scumbags don't politely, firstly, ask people to pick the item up, which would resolve the issue.

    Parking scumbag firms NEVER warn drivers not to park, indeed they've been reported as encouraging people to park where the car will then (within 10 minutes) get a PCN after the driver has gone.

    The entire 'fine culture' of this Country is out of control, and is a matter we should all be ashamed about, especially when poor victims actually pay because they are foreign, or naive, or whatever.
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 11-02-2018 at 6:37 PM.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
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    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • logician
    • By logician 11th Feb 18, 9:35 PM
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    Course they do, like parking firms choose victims to sue who have offered hopeless appeals, or no appeals. And like the litter scumbags, they too hide round corners waiting to pounce with fines, or use the jolly wheeze of remote ANPR cameras that drivers do not even know are there.

    Litter scumbags don't politely, firstly, ask people to pick the item up, which would resolve the issue.

    Parking scumbag firms NEVER warn drivers not to park, indeed they've been reported as encouraging people to park where the car will then (within 10 minutes) get a PCN after the driver has gone.

    The entire 'fine culture' of this Country is out of control, and is a matter we should all be ashamed about, especially when poor victims actually pay because they are foreign, or naive, or whatever.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Littering is certainly an anti social issue, so how or what should be done to resolve this.

    Several years ago, I had to call the police when threatened physically when a litterbug decided to dispense of their soiled goods in our front garden.

    I agree that the 'fine culture' needs addressing.

    The DWP could set an example by not penalising vulnerable people - there are many horror stories in that regard, including people committing suicide.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Feb 18, 9:36 PM
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    Imagine having to call the Police about someone, that must have been awful for you.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
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    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • logician
    • By logician 11th Feb 18, 9:46 PM
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    Imagine having to call the Police about someone, that must have been awful for you.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    No not at all.

    Have had and been in far more difficult situations over the years and been a witness for prosecution in a number of criminal cases.
    Last edited by logician; 11-02-2018 at 10:48 PM.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Feb 18, 9:56 PM
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    You've been involved in 'a number of criminal cases'? Most people never are.

    It's hardly normal life, nothing to laugh about. Really odd thing to boast about with a grinning smiley.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
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    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • logician
    • By logician 11th Feb 18, 10:36 PM
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    You've been involved in 'a number of criminal cases'? Most people never are.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Well it is fortunate that most people never are.

    However, life then has not been so kind to me then.

    Clearly you have not been a real victim for a crime or assisted when other members of the public have been subject to assault, theft of other matters.

    AS I pointed out as a WITNESS for the prosecution.

    You seemed concerned that I had to phone the police, I pointed out that this was not an issue to me.
    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Feb 18, 10:39 PM
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    I've been a victim of a crime, but it's not something I would grin about or discuss with you.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
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    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 11th Feb 18, 10:43 PM
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    I've been a victim of a crime, but it's not something I would grin about or discuss with you.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad


    you got a ticket off PE as well?
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    • logician
    • By logician 11th Feb 18, 10:52 PM
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    I've been a victim of a crime, but it's not something I would grin about or discuss with you.
    Originally posted by Coupon-mad
    Oh dear nothing serious, I hope.


    you got a ticket off PE as well?
    Originally posted by pappa golf
    Pappa Golf being a victim of crime is no laughing matter.
    • pappa golf
    • By pappa golf 11th Feb 18, 11:11 PM
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    Oh dear nothing serious, I hope.




    Pappa Golf being a victim of crime is no laughing matter.
    Originally posted by logician

    as a shop keeper that has twice been attacked with thugs with knives , , you either laugh or go mad


    I am in my mid 60s , but put this thug on the floor


    YES with my witness statement he was jailed for 5 yrs and 7 mths


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    second time I was not so lucky , not only did they get away , but I was seriously injured



    my views on people throwing litter , or nappies is so bloody what

    I have no faith in UK police Ltd now
    Last edited by pappa golf; 11-02-2018 at 11:18 PM.
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 11th Feb 18, 11:37 PM
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    Despicable criminal scum.
    PRIVATE PCN? DON'T PAY BUT DO NOT IGNORE IT TWO Clicks needed for advice:
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    Advice to ignore is WRONG, unless in Scotland/NI.

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