Debate House Prices


In order to help keep the Forum a useful, safe and friendly place for our users, discussions around non MoneySaving matters are no longer permitted. This includes wider debates about general house prices, the economy and politics. As a result, we have taken the decision to keep this board permanently closed, but it remains viewable for users who may find some useful information in it. Thank you for your understanding.

Brexit, the economy and house prices (Part 3)

1…3536384041…300

Comments

  • Conrad
    Conrad Posts: 33,137 Forumite
    Combo Breaker First Post
    always_sunny wrote: »


    If the UK doesn't like it, the UK can say so and/or walk away in the same way as the EU is doing by saying it doesn't see any progress.



    The difference being we have Remoaner incorporated at home batting for the EU and if we took the tough line you outline, this brigade would once more claim we are 'being unhelpful and uncooperative, upsetting the EU, treating them as foes'


    We cannot win, in the eyes of Remoaners.


    There's only one reason Brexit could fail and that's Remoaners talking us down and rolling over for Brussels to the extent they can paint an impression Brexit will fail and demand a referendum
  • always_sunny
    always_sunny Posts: 8,314 Forumite
    Conrad wrote: »
    The difference being we have Remoaner incorporated at home batting for the EU and if we took the tough line you outline, this brigade would once more claim we are 'being unhelpful and uncooperative, upsetting the EU, treating them as foes'

    We cannot win, in the eyes of Remoaners.

    There's only one reason Brexit could fail and that's Remoaners talking us down and rolling over for Brussels to the extent they can paint an impression Brexit will fail and demand a referendum

    The referendum was a close call, 48.1% voted to remain in the EU so friction is going to be expected, it is a huge step.
    These Remoaners are your compatriots who do not wish to support an extreme view of Brexit in the same way as pre-Referendum Eurosceptics did not want to stay in the EU. You won't keep them quiet with just saying 'we won, now shut up' or 'it's the will of the people'

    There is nothing to be won in these negotiations, it is not a bellicose exercise, it is not the EU vs the UK but it is the UK departing the EU.

    The population of the EU27 (444M people or so) have not asked for Brexit and quite frankly may not care much about it either and just wish that by March 2019 the UK is a voice fading in the distance.
    EU expat working in London
  • Rusty_Shackleton
    Rusty_Shackleton Posts: 473 Forumite
    edited 29 August 2017 at 4:25PM
    Conrad wrote: »
    The difference being we have Remoaner incorporated at home batting for the EU and if we took the tough line you outline, this brigade would once more claim we are 'being unhelpful and uncooperative, upsetting the EU, treating them as foes'

    We cannot win, in the eyes of Remoaners.

    There's only one reason Brexit could fail and that's Remoaners talking us down and rolling over for Brussels to the extent they can paint an impression Brexit will fail and demand a referendum

    I keep hearing from brexiters about how many others in the EU want to follow us out - they'll be batting for the UK! Surely, all those Europeans talking us up will have the opposite effect than 'remoaners' talking the UK down? If those Eurosceptics ever want their chance they have to make sure brexit doesn't become a cautionary tale. Balances out, wouldn't you agree?

    Anyway, stop getting your excuses in early Conrad - what happened to your positive can-do attitude making anything possible?

    Fellow remainers, this kind of BS is what we have to look forward to from the people that have spent 40 years blaming the EU for everything wrong in their lives. Even if we leave, it'll still be the EU, joined by remainers, the Scots.. absolutely anyone and everyone else before they think to look at themselves.
  • A_Medium_Size_Jock
    A_Medium_Size_Jock Posts: 3,216 Forumite
    A Graudian/ICM poll today on the so-called "Brexit bill" suggests that over two-thirds of voters think a bill of £20 billion or more is unacceptable.
    One recent report claimed the government was willing to pay a fee of £36bn. Only around one voter in 10 thinks such a sum would be acceptable, the poll suggests.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/aug/29/executive-pay-tuc-boss-says-mays-plans-to-curb-excessive-executive-pay-are-feeble-politics-live
  • A_Medium_Size_Jock
    A_Medium_Size_Jock Posts: 3,216 Forumite
    always_sunny wrote: »
    There is nothing to be won in these negotiations, it is not a bellicose exercise, it is not the EU vs the UK but it is the UK departing the EU.

    Really?
    Perhaps then you would be kind enough to say why the EU component involved in the so-called "negotiations" have not simply accepted our statement that we wish to leave?
    Why are they intent upon suggesting wild figures as a leaving "bill"; why are they constantly attempting derogatory suggestions (such as "unsatisfactory position papers" or "get serious") - how much more evidence of the EU's very obvious desire to be as intransigent as possible do you need above and beyond what you are shown in these forums?

    Your horse not only refuses to drink after being led to water, it is a skeletal remnant beyond resuscitation.
  • Rusty_Shackleton
    Rusty_Shackleton Posts: 473 Forumite
    A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »
    A Graudian/ICM poll today on the so-called "Brexit bill" suggests that over two-thirds of voters think a bill of £20 billion or more is unacceptable.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/aug/29/executive-pay-tuc-boss-says-mays-plans-to-curb-excessive-executive-pay-are-feeble-politics-live

    Ignoring domestic party political goals, can you think of any reason whatsoever why the public's view on what's 'acceptable' is of any importance, as far as the bill goes?
  • always_sunny
    always_sunny Posts: 8,314 Forumite
    A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »
    Really?
    Perhaps then you would be kind enough to say why the EU component involved in the so-called "negotiations" have not simply accepted our statement that we wish to leave?
    Why are they intent upon suggesting wild figures as a leaving "bill"; why are they constantly attempting derogatory suggestions (such as "unsatisfactory position papers" or "get serious") - how much more evidence of the EU's very obvious desire to be as intransigent as possible do you need above and beyond what you are shown in these forums?

    Your horse not only refuses to drink after being led to water, it is a skeletal remnant beyond resuscitation.

    The UK uses similar derogatory comments towards the EU, you are not full of nice words towards the EU either. So what's the problem?

    Maybe you need to lobby your government to stop showing up at the negotiation in Brussels asking for a deal!
    EU expat working in London
  • A_Medium_Size_Jock
    A_Medium_Size_Jock Posts: 3,216 Forumite
    Rusty_Shackleton wrote: »
    Ignoring domestic party political goals, can you think of any reason whatsoever why the public's view on what's 'acceptable' is of any importance, as far as the bill goes?
    Can you think of any good reason why that should be answered more fully than to say the two words "public support" when it will be roundly ignored by those apparently determined to do no more than wish this country harm?
    Britain in 'good position' in Brexit talks - May's spokeswoman
    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may-idUKKCN1B913P?il=0
  • A_Medium_Size_Jock
    A_Medium_Size_Jock Posts: 3,216 Forumite
    always_sunny wrote: »
    The UK uses similar derogatory comments towards the EU, you are not full of nice words towards the EU either. So what's the problem?

    Maybe you need to lobby your government to stop showing up at the negotiation in Brussels asking for a deal!
    I won't be alone in noticing you did not answer.
    Is it because you cannot?
    Again then:
    Perhaps then you would be kind enough to say why the EU component involved in the so-called "negotiations" have not simply accepted our statement that we wish to leave?
  • Rusty_Shackleton
    Rusty_Shackleton Posts: 473 Forumite
    A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »
    Can you think of any good reason why that should be answered more fully than to say the two words "public support" when it will be roundly ignored by those apparently determined to do no more than wish this country harm?

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-may-idUKKCN1B913P?il=0

    no, you're getting things the wrong way around. The government don't do what the public supports. The government does what it wants to do and then desperately hopes it can make the public support it.

    And in this instance, they'll be completely right to do so. The government shouldn't give a stuff what the public thinks we should pay as a settlement, we'll pay whatever amount we need to to avoid legal challenges and enough so that internationally we are seen to pay our fair share. We will do so because we want trade deals with other countries and so we don't burn bridges with the EU itself or EU countries. They'll figure out a way to sell it to the public, whether its £10bn or £100bn, but we will pay up regardless.
This discussion has been closed.
★ ★ ★ Meet your Ambassadors

Categories

  • All Categories
  • 343K Banking & Borrowing
  • 250K Reduce Debt & Boost Income
  • 449.6K Spending & Discounts
  • 235.1K Work, Benefits & Business
  • 607.7K Mortgages, Homes & Bills
  • 173K Life & Family
  • 247.7K Travel & Transport
  • 1.5M Hobbies & Leisure
  • 15.9K Discuss & Feedback
  • 15.1K Coronavirus Support Boards