blah blah blah commercial confidentially at a guess.



It also made it to Radio 4 just after 5pm here http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08xxddk#play starts at 18min 10 ( available for 29days)

No doubt the PPC's in particular Indigo will be crowing over this, and thats a good thing, as the more the PPCs stick their head above the parapet then the more people will see just what these companies are up to.
As for publicity, it would be better to focus on how Nurses, Care workers, Porters and other essential Hospital staff are falling victim, as opposed to just Nurses and Doctors.

Depending on how things go, and on how well the publicity machine can dish the dirt on PPCs at Hospitals, things may not look too good for the PPCs, as they hopefully will fall victim to their own greed.

Actually to be fair Guys Dad I found myself thinking very similar thoughts very quickly.

The tories are known to be privatising everything, the NHS is the last major public service left and health care is always worth mega money.

What better than to destroy the NHS from within? Plant the poisonous seeds of doubt and the staff themselves will destroy it from within and spread the poison. Next thing you know its a failing service just like british rail... and it can only be fixed via privatisation.

It's all about strategy. The tories know how to use strategies to their advantage... well they did until TM took the helm..

Commercial confidentiality in itself is not an exemption under FOI. They would have to explain or demonstrate a significant negative consequence of the disclosure - which in itself would be quite interesting.

https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-freedom-of-information/refusing-a-request/

It may happen but it will take years and years ahead
Until then they have to keep topping up the NHS from the magic money tree

When the NHS was born, it was assumed that the max people
would live was three score years and ten .... max

Now we have a mega ageing population with mega costs involved
and not enough people paying into the system at the bottom.

The NHS is a prime Multi Level Marketing operation with not enough
people at the bottom to support those at the top of the chain.

As the note which was left by the previous government said
"We have no money left" ???

It is bording on implosion

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-40628560

You think judges know the laws of every civil case in front of them ?

Each party gets to put evidence and legal arguments before the judge and it's up to them to make sure they place enough of the correct information to let the judge make the correct decision.

If the judge makes an error then you can appeal. Errors can be anything from a misunderstanding through to bias.

The Lay Rep who many are blaming for this outcome has come out with a statement on the Parking Prankster blog:

Actually, Sue, I wasn't conducting Mr Dadswell's case, I only acted as his Lay rep. Mr Dadswell was provided with, and submitted, all of the relevant evidence before his March hearing; this documentation was provided by a Bargepole, well known of this parish.

Additionally, didn't the same Bargepole write both of Mr Beavis's clients skeletons, and didn't he and Mr Beavis decide not to have his clients give evidence?

There seems to be some sort of myth that I was involved in all 78 cases - I wasn't, my company was involved in one for which I was asked, by you, to Ley rep, I was a lay rep for another that was adjourned, and I assisted with a set aside in a third. But that was it - I didn't write any of the documents, I didn't conduct the case, I merely represented one of the clients.

Also, for the record, if I hadn't asked Mr Dadswell to sack me, I would have had to excuse myself as my interest in being joined as a party for costs is in clear conflict to Mr Dadswell's interest. Despite this, my company has refuded Mr Dadswell's fees, and we have ourselves paid out over £750 in expenses to support TEPAG and our customer.

However, as my conduct has not been determined by the court as having been unreasonable, as this is not being heard until 1 September, it's a bit premature for anyone to be accusing me of anything, including a barrister in open court reciting the lies of ZZPS.

It is worth noting that consideration is being made as to whether at least one witness will be reported for perjury - can anyone guess who?

Publicly, I will say this - if I am found liable in Unreasonable Conduct, I will absorb the entire costs bill personally. I will also, having been joined, be appealing the judgment on four grounds, including one of the points which the Judge says was argued unreasonably.

http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2017/07/judgment-on-12-million-of-outstanding.html?m=1#comment-form

I have been asked to remove this post, so I am doing.

HE, as in singular?

Does anyone else understand the nuances in the above two posts?

Nope, is it just me...time will tell.

I have been asked to remove this post, so I have.

No speculation, eh, Ryandavis1959; it's not the smart thing to do.

It will happen alright and it will be quicker than you realise.

IF you read a lot of the comments on the dailymail article there are so many haters of the nurses in this case - people wrongly slagging them off for not paying to park etc. The attitude is absolutely appalling.

When there is that much hate for a state funded service that the state wants to scrap... Remember British Rail? - People couldn't stop moaning about that either and now pay higher fares than ever and the railways are still taxpayer subsidised - a lot more than BR!

Don't be so doubtful about it. Just because it sounds far fetched doesn't mean it can't and won't happen.

The worst comments are on The Sun. Barry Beavis himself posted a link to the gofundmepage. He got abuse off people for it and sarcastic comments. The general comments thread was vile against the nurses!

The Sun and the Daily mail are both nasty papers but it's pathetic that they are so popular. Their comments are always awful.

Yes I noticed the trolls have crawled out en-masse to slag the nhs off and crucify them. They won't be happy until they see it collapse and then they'll whinge that there is no medical help for them... and blame everyone but themselves for it.

Incidentally (and it took me a while to realise why) the hospitals website isn't responding. At first i thought it was my connection but i think they've been hacked as several minutes later i still can't get any pages on the site to display.

That's interesting, as the Indigo website was also down earlier today.

There will always be people taking shots at the NHS, but all healthcare professionals should have free parking like they do in Scotland, as well as free patient parking.

While you claim to know a lot about our northern neighbours you appear to have gaps in that knowledge.

All Scots hospitals have free parking except for two types - PFI and where the parking company lease the parking from the Trust. Like the Indigo one at Ninewells where staff and visitors are being hounded in a test case similar to the Cardiff one.

Hope Indigo have paid their PR company's bills.

Just to rebut some of the many inaccuracies and lies in this statement:

From the official transcript of the Case Management hearing (page 137 of the bundle):

THE DISTRICT JUDGE: How many are there? is it dealt with in one of the letters?
MR W*****: (Short pause) Madam, if it assists, I am instructed it is 27 cases in total.

Also:

"I didn't write any of the documents" is completely untrue. The Lay Rep in question sent several notices to the instructing solicitors accusing them of unreasonable behaviour, and threatening to hit them for substantial costs. He also wrote the skeleton for one of the defendants, and filed a Hearsay Notice to say that one potential witness would be unable to attend.

I think there's 3 Scottish hospitals that still have paid for parking, and I understand that's just until the contracts expire. That could be a while for the PFI hospitals though.

The Labour First Minister has now claimed that the parking "rules" have to be enforced because there was a death due to "illegal" parking at the hospital. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-40644807

I think it's clear that the English and Welsh establishment is happy with the situation of nurses having to pay £150,000 in parking tickets and this potentially hurts any hope with an appeal, because if the politicians are appealing to emotion like this then the Judges will no doubt follow their paymasters.

(Of course if there truly was a death due to "illegal parking" I doubt it was one of the defendants but RIP that person).